Here’s a more detailed Reuters article, which also links to the original NY Times article. The News24 article did not provide such a link (bad journalist!).
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/evidence-suggests-errant-ukrainian-missile-caused-market-deaths-new-york-times-2023-09-19/The claims are also refuted in this article: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/19/7420435/
Pravda’s claim that the Buk air defense systems are not in service does seem valid as it was reported way back in April 2023 that Buk missiles were going to be depleted by May 2023. https://time.com/6271538/ukraine-air-defense-shortages-russia/
Even if the missile was fired by Ukraine- it still would be Russias fault since Ukraine just defends itself against the Aggressor.
The aggressor is US/NATO, which Russia is defending itself against.
Do you tankies all just like sniff a fuckload of glue or what? The country that invade another is defending itself and not the aggressor. It’s the country/alliance donating to the defense of the invaded country that is the true invader. Of course.
As evidenced by all those NATO troops on Russian territory. Oh, wait. There’s none.
You think it’s not possible to be aggressive unless you’ve invaded somwhere? Curious.
I guess there’s no China aggression against Taiwan then. Agreed?
Yes, it’s possible to be an aggressor without crossing borders. For example, by claiming international, shared, or someone else’s EEZ waters as your own, as China has done.
Every single country in the region claims territory. Every one.
Agreed. China is openly hostile towards Taiwan, but it has not committed any actual acts of aggression and none of China’s actions warrant a military response.
Threatening nukes is not aggressive in your world.
Well when you invade a country then threaten nukes it certainly shows Russian aggression as you say.
Russia has never threatened nukes. Only the west and Ukraine has.
Yeah the Kremlin is so worried about being invaded that they’re using all their troops in a genocidal land grab and can’t even guard their own capitol.
If Russia was actually fighting against NATO troops, it would have lost long ago. And you know it.
But you probably just need to pretend that Russia is fighting against big bad NATO so you don’t have to feel bad that all those Russians died and there is nothing to even show for.
If Russia was actually fighting against NATO troops, it would have lost long ago. And you know it.
Because US/NATO is famously good at winning wars? Their weaponry and tactics have been exposed as shit in this conflict. Haven’t they just lost to subsistence farmers in Afghanistan?
all those Russians died and there is nothing to even show for.
Except all the people liberated from the Nazis in Ukraine who are no longer living in fear of ethnic cleansing.
Because US/NATO is famously good at winning wars?
Actually yes - if there is an actual military to fight against. If there is a Guerilla type of conflict, it’s harder for a regular military to win.
Their weaponry and tactics have been exposed as shit in this conflict.
Some of the tactics don’t work if things like Air Superiority are not held.
Haven’t they just lost to subsistence farmers in Afghanistan?
I already talked about the Guerilla tactics… and to throw some whataboutism in: didn’t even the USSR have „bad luck“ in Afghanistan?
Except all the people liberated from the Nazis in Ukraine who are no longer living in fear of ethnic cleansing.
Yeah, russian „liberation“ often means killing everyone in sight, so yeah, they „liberated“ a big chunk of the Ukrainian civilian population. That’s what those war crime tribunals will be for, when those Russian fascists have lost the war.
Actually yes - if there is an actual military to fight against. If there is a Guerilla type of conflict, it’s harder for a regular military to win.
Got an example of this?
Some of the tactics don’t work if things like Air Superiority are not held.
So, shit.
I already talked about the Guerilla tactics… and to throw some whataboutism in
So, shit.
Yeah, russian „liberation“ often means killing everyone in sight
Well now you’re just being hysterical.
when those Russian fascists have lost the war.
Russia is not fascist. Ukraine is fascist.
Hey look, it’s somebody somehow posting from bizarro-universe where everything is opposite!
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never seen a cooker that is able to be helped or think. good luck
