They really should be touting this more to get young people out to vote. This is a very clear division among young people who want/deserve relief, and which party is trying to give it and which is doing everything they can to stop it.
If I were in charge of any of their campaigning I’d also hammer reproductive rights, weed, and healthcare. Instead it looks like the Dems are going to keep getting cornered on the economy and Israel.
ah yes, biden telling 1/3 of our government (who happen to be mostly trump’s cronies) to fuck themselves can’t end badly
we do need such grand, sweeping changes to help our country, but unfortunately all we can manage are these baby steps, which are still important for progress
Idk, it feels manipulative to me. All they’ve done here is follow through on existing policy. I have higher standards for being impressed than doing what you’re required to do, even if others before you failed to do so.
Sure, but that’s the bare minimum. That’s not going to inspire apathetic voters. Claiming credit for a Democratic Congress / George W Bush admin era piece of legislation is not very impressive.
Especially since the Democrats passed it with a 49+2 / 49 majority in the Senate (and filibustering still very much a thing), so it’s a stark contrast to all the stuff they claimed wasn’t possible during the Biden admin because they simply didn’t have a strong enough majority in the Senate even without a Republican president. I know times are different now, but it kind of paints a circle around the lack of legislative backbone this administration has had.
Well… I’m responding to you saying they should use this to get young people to vote. I’m saying that’s not a good idea because it’s manipulative and only serves to highlight all the ways they haven’t followed through on student loan debt, instead they keep touting tiny band aids and legislation signed into law by Bush Jr.
Uh, no. That’s pretty clearly not what I’m saying.
I’m saying I expect my government to do more than simply follow through on 17 year old laws and pretend like that’s some amazing achievement. And student loans in particular have been abysmally handled by Biden, both in his Senate career and his failed promises to the populace when running for president.
“But the Supreme Court”: yes, but they were a known obstacle and he still chose to delay any attempt for two years in order to try to double dip, which still ultimately failed. He knowingly left the people with crushing student loan debt to suffer while waiting for a politically expedient time to even try. And he failed anyway, so why wait?
Vote, but don’t be complacent. The Democrats do not adequately work for the needs of the people.
Donate or volunteer for local progressives during the primaries, fight like hell to make your government fight for you. And do not accept mediocrity as a victory.
You are aiming too high. Simply getting people to vote is already a lot because our general election turnout is shameful. Beyond that, primary voting turnout is like abysmal, I think 10% or so last I checked.
Getting primary election turnout up will make the biggest difference in party attitude for the least effort expended.
Being nit picky and pedantic will just get people to grumble and move on to other things.
Be short, to the point, and make the effort you are asking for to be so negligible that people will feel compelled to do that much.
Otherwise you just defeat your own causes by introducing friction that bleeds momentum and energy. Pessimism isn’t effective at galvanizing the left. The left thrives on optimism.
I agree the left thrives on optimism, which is why I’m especially unhappy with the Democratic Party in the last 10 years. They’ve done absolutely nothing to make people optimistic. Instead of leaning into the enthusiasm that Bernie drummed up, they played dirty and launched a smear campaign. And they’ve followed that up with 8 years of nothing but “you have to vote for us because what else are you gonna do?”
They call milquetoast achievements like “we didn’t fail to follow through on policy passed 17 years ago” great accomplishments and think that’s good enough to inspire optimism? Give me a break.
They really should be touting this more to get young people out to vote. This is a very clear division among young people who want/deserve relief, and which party is trying to give it and which is doing everything they can to stop it.
This is such an easy win for Democrats and yet…
If I were in charge of any of their campaigning I’d also hammer reproductive rights, weed, and healthcare. Instead it looks like the Dems are going to keep getting cornered on the economy and Israel.
If Biden told the supreme court to go fuck themselves and forgave all student loan debt they would care.
This isn’t even a drop in the bucket of the total student loan debt in this country
You’re right, they shouldn’t even talk about it at all unless they can clear 100% of the debt. It’s all or nothing.
Jesus Christ, it’s no wonder Democrats always lose. This is their fickle voting base.
ah yes, biden telling 1/3 of our government (who happen to be mostly trump’s cronies) to fuck themselves can’t end badly
we do need such grand, sweeping changes to help our country, but unfortunately all we can manage are these baby steps, which are still important for progress
It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve just ignored the supreme court
Yeah, people decry authoritarianism, then immediately propose authoritarian solutions. Just a “different” authority.
No thanks.
Idk, it feels manipulative to me. All they’ve done here is follow through on existing policy. I have higher standards for being impressed than doing what you’re required to do, even if others before you failed to do so.
Proving that you can and do follow through on existing policy is still a good thing to do.
Sure, but that’s the bare minimum. That’s not going to inspire apathetic voters. Claiming credit for a Democratic Congress / George W Bush admin era piece of legislation is not very impressive.
Especially since the Democrats passed it with a 49+2 / 49 majority in the Senate (and filibustering still very much a thing), so it’s a stark contrast to all the stuff they claimed wasn’t possible during the Biden admin because they simply didn’t have a strong enough majority in the Senate even without a Republican president. I know times are different now, but it kind of paints a circle around the lack of legislative backbone this administration has had.
I don’t really care. I don’t necessarily agree, but even if I did, I don’t care at this point.
Well… I’m responding to you saying they should use this to get young people to vote. I’m saying that’s not a good idea because it’s manipulative and only serves to highlight all the ways they haven’t followed through on student loan debt, instead they keep touting tiny band aids and legislation signed into law by Bush Jr.
Almost feels like you’re saying that if people do the exact job you put them there to do, that’s not good enough for them to keep their jobs.
It is, of course. So they get my vote.
Uh, no. That’s pretty clearly not what I’m saying.
I’m saying I expect my government to do more than simply follow through on 17 year old laws and pretend like that’s some amazing achievement. And student loans in particular have been abysmally handled by Biden, both in his Senate career and his failed promises to the populace when running for president.
“But the Supreme Court”: yes, but they were a known obstacle and he still chose to delay any attempt for two years in order to try to double dip, which still ultimately failed. He knowingly left the people with crushing student loan debt to suffer while waiting for a politically expedient time to even try. And he failed anyway, so why wait?
Well we’ve got two options. Vote for them or not. Which would you recommend people do?
Vote, but don’t be complacent. The Democrats do not adequately work for the needs of the people.
Donate or volunteer for local progressives during the primaries, fight like hell to make your government fight for you. And do not accept mediocrity as a victory.
You are aiming too high. Simply getting people to vote is already a lot because our general election turnout is shameful. Beyond that, primary voting turnout is like abysmal, I think 10% or so last I checked.
Getting primary election turnout up will make the biggest difference in party attitude for the least effort expended.
Being nit picky and pedantic will just get people to grumble and move on to other things.
Be short, to the point, and make the effort you are asking for to be so negligible that people will feel compelled to do that much.
Otherwise you just defeat your own causes by introducing friction that bleeds momentum and energy. Pessimism isn’t effective at galvanizing the left. The left thrives on optimism.
I agree the left thrives on optimism, which is why I’m especially unhappy with the Democratic Party in the last 10 years. They’ve done absolutely nothing to make people optimistic. Instead of leaning into the enthusiasm that Bernie drummed up, they played dirty and launched a smear campaign. And they’ve followed that up with 8 years of nothing but “you have to vote for us because what else are you gonna do?”
They call milquetoast achievements like “we didn’t fail to follow through on policy passed 17 years ago” great accomplishments and think that’s good enough to inspire optimism? Give me a break.