• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    12 days ago

    Further, are we really busy lying to ourselves? COVID’s first vaccines were available in December of 2020, so it’s really arguable that a lot of the “Biden economy” growth was… just jobs that had already existed but went away for COVID coming back because the economy was fully spinning up again. Considering COVID hit the US in January 2020, 2021 was still a recovery period, as was 2022.

    Dems deluded themselves the same way with Obama. You started to see the economic rebound practically the day he stepped into office. Either Obama was a wizard or we were experiencing a natural market rebound before he’d done anything.

    Then we got two years of bailouts, nobody responsible for the crash was held criminally liable (ffs even Bush had the decency to prosecute Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling), and Wall Street was fully rebounded while the rest of the country was still getting foreclosed on as quickly as judges could robo-sign the liens. No climate change bill. No immigration bill. No public education bill. No DC statehood. No public insurance option. Hell, PPACA didn’t even fully kick in until 2014 because Dems were so persnickity about the budget numbers. But we did extend the Bush Tax Cuts, thank god!

    And then Dems were confused when they lost 2010 in a landslide.

    Voting for Kamala, but sick of this kind of outright bullshit from Democrats. Stop jerking yourselves off with statistics and really help people.

    “Only stupid people don’t vote Democrat” is a lie liberals love to tell themselves whether they’re losing or winning.

        • Rhaedas@fedia.io
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          12 days ago

          Correct, 2009-2011 they had both. I don’t know the full record but ACA was passed thanks to that, however not in the full form that was intended, including the public option you mention. Thanks Lieberman.

          2021 they only had the House, and many bills were blocked in the Senate.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            12 days ago

            ACA was passed thanks to that

            After being gouged of its many more-attractive features. The big thing the ACA was supposed to prevent was medical bankruptcy, and yet…

            The share of debtors reporting a medical contributor before the ACA’s January 1, 2014 implementation (65.5%) and after implementation (67.5%) was similar (P = .37). Both of these figures are close to the 62.1% estimate from the 2007 survey, and in a difference-in-differences analysis we found no evidence that trends differed between states that did versus did not accept the ACA’s Medicaid expansion (P = .76). The responses regarding individual items in the current survey are also similar to those in 2007, when 57.1% of debtors cited medical bills as contributors to their bankruptcy and 40.3% cited income loss due to illness

            Our medical system remains fundamentally broken. The three-legged stole of insurance mandates, regulations, and marketplaces has failed to produce anything comparable to the public systems common to Canada, Europe, and East Asia.

            2021 they only had the House

            They had 50 votes in the Senate, Schumer as Majority Leader, and Kamala as the tie-breaking vote.

    • leds@feddit.dk
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      9 days ago

      Dems deluded themselves the same way with Obama. You started to see the economic rebound practically the day he stepped into office. Either Obama was a wizard or we were experiencing a natural market rebound before he’d done anything.

      That’s not so strange , businesses are nervous before the election and will hold off investing. As soon as a reasonably sane politician is elected they will start investing again.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 days ago

        businesses are nervous before the election and will hold off investing

        Businesses were nervous because their peers had balance sheets full of lies and bullshit.

        But once the government (under Bush & Pelosi & Bernanke) stepped in with the infinite money machine to bail out the major banks, flow of commerce was restored.

        This has nothing to do with the election. It had to do with fiscal policy that both parties championed.

        As soon as a reasonably sane politician is elected

        Markets don’t reward sanity. If they did, Elon would be the poorest man in the country, rather than the richest.