A UK Member of Parliament recently suggested that there should be a Government minister for men which would presumably do similar things to the existsing minister for Women.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/reactions-pour-in-as-mp-renews-calls-for-official-minister-for-men-356501/

This has thrown up a series of heated discussions on social media about whether this is part of the ‘backlash’ against feminsm, or whether there is a legitimate need for wider support of men’s issues.

As a man who believes that there are legitimate issues disproportionately affecting men which should be addressed, what I really want help in understanding is the opinion that men don’t need any targetted support.

I don’t want to start a big argument, but I do want to understand this perspective, because I have struggled to understand it before and I don’t like feeling like I’m missing something.

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    I have never heard of a feminist…

    • …pushing for more equality/fairness in custody-cases
    • …being against showing men in a stereotypical bad light in ads.
    • …being against alimony payments or fairer judge decisions
    • …being against prison-rape jokes
    • …speaking up for falsely accused men (Till Lindemann, Jonny Depp and so on)
    • …being against dangerous work emvironnments or bad work conditions or bad jobs in general
    • …pushing for more mental health support for men
    • …being against men-only military draft.

    It all being part of the patriarchy is maybe true if you want to look at it in this perspective. But I am of the opinion that most of those points would not majorly improve even if feminists would have total political control for the next 10 years.

    Because feminists stand up for the rights of women. Which is totally important and good. But will not automatically improve the lifes of men, because its not the aim of most feminists.

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      Then you haven’t been paying attention. I just posted a years old article, which went viral at the time, pushing for all these things.

      Toxic men do have the loudest megaphones. But you can wise up and find better things to listen to.

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        I mean that may well be that I havent heard of “those” feminists, altho I hear about many things feminists here (in Switzerland) push for. I read the demands of every feministic protest for example and never was there one of the points I mentioned.

        I think your comment sounded like victim blaming to me. For example:

        Men die (more) in suicides. Feminists (mostly women) fight against the patriarchy, which is a product by men. If the higher suicide numbers is because of the patriarchy, then “its their own fault”.

        Thats why I see things like “the patriarchy” or categories like “the men” or “the feminists” very critically as it generalizes too much.

        And back to the OP: I dont think that a dedicated “minister for women” can or will help in men-issues, because I don’t believe the logical detour via the patriarchy makes sense. One would have to fight the misandrist laws like the army draft (here in switzerland its mandatory for men but voluntary for women) directly and not shadow-box ““the patriarchy””.

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      That is so untrue that it’s clear you’re speaking in bad faith. The only people I know against prison rape are feminists, the ‘anti feminists’ are all about “lets hope he drops the soap” jokes.

      It’s women who have fought for equal rights in the military, not men, and they’ve taken frontline roles by force.

      “Falsely accused men” is not the same as not convicted men. Jonny Depp admitted being physical in court, Till Lindemans case was dropped for lack of evidence, this is super normal in cases of sexual assault because unless it was filmed, evidence is a really tricky thing.

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      I have never heard of a feminist…

      …pushing for more equality/fairness in custody-cases
      …being against showing men in a stereotypical bad light in ads.
      …being against alimony payments or fairer judge decisions
      …being against prison-rape jokes
      …speaking up for falsely accused men (Till Lindemann, Jonny Depp and so on)
      …being against dangerous work emvironnments or bad work conditions or bad jobs in general
      …pushing for more mental health support for men
      …being against men-only military draft.
      

      Literally every feminist advocates for all of these.