What about the party that lost the election, quite possibly by choosing to enable a genocide further, as it deemed that more important than winning the election? What about the party, that chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy, as that would anger its billionaire donors?
Why blame the people instead of the Democratic party leaders, who remained steadfast at the side of the elites, leaving the people to be peddled to by Trump?
I don’t doubt that the Dems had a poor campaign. However, I’m totally allowed to blame the dumbasses that voted for fascism. These dumbasses are ultimately the ones that filled the box for our authoritarian future. I’ll say it again: fuck them.
You are only proving it further. This kind of comments sounds just like MAGA voters. And that is part of the issue. How do you want to beat them politically, if you let them influence your political culture in their way?
America tells other countries how to vote or we’ll overthrow their governments. Even in the 2020s we told South American countries “Elect who we want or we’ll cut off money and send in troops.”
The world watched America out of fear of Trump winning. Rightfully so. He’s a mad man who hates anyone but himself.
I’m not going to get mad at people who affected by who runs the world police, the biggest economy, the biggest armed forceds, an unconditional UN veto, and so many more things.
Trump is bad for everyone in the world. Makes sense people are scared and wanting to chime in.
Why not Fox News who says America has to be the world police? Why not Musk who said we’ll coup anyone we want? Why not the companies who drafted up a war for oil?
And I’m an American, so I do have a lot of people on Lemmy telling me how the country should be.
If your country wouldn’t operate multiple military bases in my country, including storing some nuclear warheads here, operating huge lobby groups that captured large parts of my countries press as well as high ranking politicians like chancellors or foreign ministers you had a point. Economically we also have a lot of American investments. Heck the possible next chancellor is an asset of Blackrock. One of the leaders of the fascist party is an asset of Goldman Sachs and neoliberal think tanks.
But as Americans are influencing the fate of my country quite extensively, i will voice my opinion about what they should and shouldn’t do. Which i think is a rather small influence compared to military, political and economic influence the US is exerting here.
No one said not to vote for her. But your abusive toxicity has been on display for months, years. YOU drive voters away. You making excuses for the candidates shitty positions instead of demanding better from them, left the candidate in a weak electoral position.
If I scratch your comment history, will I find you effectively defending her position on Israel? Will I find you defending her step to the right to campaign with Cheney and celebrate Republicans?
You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it
Are you allergic to trying to understand why you were wrong and why Harris lost?
Its not about Trump. It’s about Harris. You aren’t arguing with me. You are arguing with 15 million people who didn’t think she represented enough of a change from the status quo to show up.
Well i guess the 130ish Million people who voted for more genocide got what they wanted.
And we warned this would happen.
Because the pro Israel people had a safe vote with Trump. Harris trying not to take a strong stance, while further enabling the genocide tough, alienated people.
Now the silver lining is that Democrats have a chance to learn, that being against genocide is the only stance a supposedly progressive party can take. But they rather risked and chose to loose the election instead of being steadfast against genocide.
But you can already see here how people are blaming black and Arab voters. The white supremacy runs deep in both parties, so the idea that anything would have changed under Harris is laughable.
Maybe something would change under Harris. Maybe not.
But it is absolutely certain that it won’t change under Trump.
I am old enough and have gone through so many “vote for lesser of two evils” elections to be able to tell you that not voting for lesser of two evils is wrong. I myself skipped voting few times because I hated both sides. But absolutely every fucking time the worse person winning was a much, much worse outcome.
Everyone’s main enemy are billionaires. They have spent considerable resources making sure people vote for Trump.
And here we are, people whining how Harris didn’t make a promise to go after billionaires while at the same time enabling those same billionaires to do as they please, through Trump.
Not voting is absolutely the wrong move. It signals complacency.
Voting third party shows that people care enough, but aren’t willing to give power under the current policies/proposed policies. This is also why ranked choice is vastly superior to first past the post. It allows for a more coherent signaling from the people into politics.
We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.
Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.
And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.
There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.
Either you elect a party that wants to do that, or every time elect the other party that is not very democratic inside itself, despite the name. Both seem like autocracy to me.
Unfortunately they chose not to learn during the past 8 years.
They repeated most of the errors they did in 2016, while Trump just did Trump again. That is also why i say the blame lies with the party leaders. This was preventable with setting the right priorities.
Unsympathetic candidate from the depths of the establishment.
Focusing on virtue signaling “how can you not want a women? And now she is asian and black too!” instead of real life improvements for the affected demographics. Especially after 8 years of Obama have shown that a black president doesn’t mean much in that regard.
Focusing on who they are not, instead of focusing who they are.
Not opening up for a full primary, instead pushing the establishment candidate through.
Not addressing peoples economic concerns and offering a progressive solution for that, instead sucking up to the billionaire donors
Having a candidate that is currently involved in a war/genocide or advocating for more of it (Hillary)
Establishing a culture of looking down on “stupid” or “backwards” rural and rust belt voters
Sending contradictory in or mixed messages on various issues, depending on who they address/what the latest poll said to be important
Sending a message of a sure election in their bubbles, demotivating some of their usual voters.
Focusing on endorsements by high profile celebrities, further giving the image of a party of elites, rather than for the normal people.
Those were the bunch that came to my mind and what i remember seeing in various election streams.
You’re getting down votes because the truth hurts. People in the echo chamber don’t want to hear anything except “Trump bad”.
To sum up your comment succinctly it can simply be said that the democratic party failed to relate with and engage the electorate, something that Trump did successfully.
chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy
Come on. The party in office when inflation came back down. Inflation rate is near normal now. Blame them for not communicating effectively or blame voters for looking at cumulative inflation over four years, rather than resulting inflation
What about the party that lost the election, quite possibly by choosing to enable a genocide further, as it deemed that more important than winning the election? What about the party, that chose to ignore the devastating effects of inflation on normal Americans, instead of providing a concise plan of revamping the economy, as that would anger its billionaire donors?
Why blame the people instead of the Democratic party leaders, who remained steadfast at the side of the elites, leaving the people to be peddled to by Trump?
“what about…”
I don’t doubt that the Dems had a poor campaign. However, I’m totally allowed to blame the dumbasses that voted for fascism. These dumbasses are ultimately the ones that filled the box for our authoritarian future. I’ll say it again: fuck them.
About one hundred million people declined to vote at all.
And fuck them, too. They’re just as responsible.
They are all bad. They all work together against positive change.
Since it’s people that voted Trump and Co. In, I’ll be blaming people.
Buckle to the top, kick to the bottom. And you wonder why the authoritarian politicians win…
Fuck off, you’re not even American.
You are only proving it further. This kind of comments sounds just like MAGA voters. And that is part of the issue. How do you want to beat them politically, if you let them influence your political culture in their way?
No. I’m tired of people on Lemmy that aren’t even American trying to tell us what to do in our own elections.
I don’t go astroturfing in posts about your countries politics. So yes, you can fuck right off.
America tells other countries how to vote or we’ll overthrow their governments. Even in the 2020s we told South American countries “Elect who we want or we’ll cut off money and send in troops.”
The world watched America out of fear of Trump winning. Rightfully so. He’s a mad man who hates anyone but himself.
I’m not going to get mad at people who affected by who runs the world police, the biggest economy, the biggest armed forceds, an unconditional UN veto, and so many more things.
Trump is bad for everyone in the world. Makes sense people are scared and wanting to chime in.
Show me examples of people from the US here, on Lemmy, that tell you 24/7 what to do in your country.
Why not Fox News who says America has to be the world police? Why not Musk who said we’ll coup anyone we want? Why not the companies who drafted up a war for oil?
And I’m an American, so I do have a lot of people on Lemmy telling me how the country should be.
If your country wouldn’t operate multiple military bases in my country, including storing some nuclear warheads here, operating huge lobby groups that captured large parts of my countries press as well as high ranking politicians like chancellors or foreign ministers you had a point. Economically we also have a lot of American investments. Heck the possible next chancellor is an asset of Blackrock. One of the leaders of the fascist party is an asset of Goldman Sachs and neoliberal think tanks.
But as Americans are influencing the fate of my country quite extensively, i will voice my opinion about what they should and shouldn’t do. Which i think is a rather small influence compared to military, political and economic influence the US is exerting here.
Then don’t allow all of that.
See how simple it is!
And i voted for that consistently. I also demonstrated for that consistently. Sometimes being attacked by the state for it.
Well now you got what you wanted: the hero to end the genocide. Any minute now they’ll stop the war effort, for fear of further angering the fuhrer
This toxic abusive browbeating is what just handed the election to Trump.
You shouldn’t be arguing with them, considering you just lost us and election.
Yes I recognize you as one of the top Democratic vote discouragers. Thank you for that. I mean er yeah it was my fault you repeat Russian propaganda
You are why Harris lost.
Yes I was spreading the message not to vote for her like you. Thanks for your help comrade
No one said not to vote for her. But your abusive toxicity has been on display for months, years. YOU drive voters away. You making excuses for the candidates shitty positions instead of demanding better from them, left the candidate in a weak electoral position.
If I scratch your comment history, will I find you effectively defending her position on Israel? Will I find you defending her step to the right to campaign with Cheney and celebrate Republicans?
You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it
Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.
That must be why Trump won huh? Because of all the dissent and “demanding better from him” that he got from his supporters.
Are you allergic to trying to understand why you were wrong and why Harris lost?
Its not about Trump. It’s about Harris. You aren’t arguing with me. You are arguing with 15 million people who didn’t think she represented enough of a change from the status quo to show up.
I’m voting for the fat demented guy because some internet trolls mad me mad once.
Is that peak american democracy?
Nah. It was you and yours who couldn’t do the math and realize that a united front was the only path away from fascism. Now we’re all stuck with it.
Also:
Astounding self-awareness on display.
👆 Actual bullying language.
Well i guess the 130ish Million people who voted for more genocide got what they wanted.
And we warned this would happen.
Because the pro Israel people had a safe vote with Trump. Harris trying not to take a strong stance, while further enabling the genocide tough, alienated people.
Now the silver lining is that Democrats have a chance to learn, that being against genocide is the only stance a supposedly progressive party can take. But they rather risked and chose to loose the election instead of being steadfast against genocide.
But you can already see here how people are blaming black and Arab voters. The white supremacy runs deep in both parties, so the idea that anything would have changed under Harris is laughable.
Shove the third party shit, no one gives a fuck about your favorite Russian asset Jill Stein.
“Harris could have won, if she took a clear anti-genocide stance”
“RuSSIAN ASSETTTSESETSE!!!”
Yeah what the fuck ever. You must be gleeful right now. You got exactly what you wanted
Maybe something would change under Harris. Maybe not.
But it is absolutely certain that it won’t change under Trump.
I am old enough and have gone through so many “vote for lesser of two evils” elections to be able to tell you that not voting for lesser of two evils is wrong. I myself skipped voting few times because I hated both sides. But absolutely every fucking time the worse person winning was a much, much worse outcome.
Everyone’s main enemy are billionaires. They have spent considerable resources making sure people vote for Trump.
And here we are, people whining how Harris didn’t make a promise to go after billionaires while at the same time enabling those same billionaires to do as they please, through Trump.
200 IQ move, indeed.
Not voting is absolutely the wrong move. It signals complacency.
Voting third party shows that people care enough, but aren’t willing to give power under the current policies/proposed policies. This is also why ranked choice is vastly superior to first past the post. It allows for a more coherent signaling from the people into politics.
We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.
Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.
And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.
There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.
The Democrats having the chance to learn is going to be of limited use of Republicans build the fascist autocracy they intend to build.
Either you elect a party that wants to do that, or every time elect the other party that is not very democratic inside itself, despite the name. Both seem like autocracy to me.
Unfortunately they chose not to learn during the past 8 years.
They repeated most of the errors they did in 2016, while Trump just did Trump again. That is also why i say the blame lies with the party leaders. This was preventable with setting the right priorities.
What errors from 2016 exactly?
Those were the bunch that came to my mind and what i remember seeing in various election streams.
So the exact same things the Republicans did
You’re getting down votes because the truth hurts. People in the echo chamber don’t want to hear anything except “Trump bad”.
To sum up your comment succinctly it can simply be said that the democratic party failed to relate with and engage the electorate, something that Trump did successfully.
Hope you’re fucking happy.
I sure am. Watching libs seethe is hilarious
I would have been happy if the Dems had stopped supporting genocide, saving tens of thousands of lifes and then winning in a landslide.
Thats what i advocated for for months. But the party would rather risk losing the election to Trump than stop sending weapons to a genocide.
So you’re happy with where we are today?
Come on. The party in office when inflation came back down. Inflation rate is near normal now. Blame them for not communicating effectively or blame voters for looking at cumulative inflation over four years, rather than resulting inflation