• Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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    I am Ukrainian. So let’s just say you won’t convince me of the uncle Stalin coming to liberate eastern Europe BS narrative. I would like to invite you and your family to try and speak Ukrainian in the occupied territories.

    A strong majority of russian are genocidal imperialists. Not because of any inherent qualities, it’s the choices they make.

    I will just add that the russians should take ownership of the outcomes in their history (not just 1996 election, but more generally). They are not children and they need to take responsibility without looking for scapegoats as they always do.

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      I am Ukrainian. So let’s just say you won’t convince me of the uncle Stalin coming to liberate eastern Europe BS narrative. I would you and your family to try and speak Ukrainian in the occupied territories.

      Ukrainian language was not in any way suppressed in the USSR at any point. My grandmother happens to be from Ukraine.

      It was less prestigious, because of technical education being given in Russian and the “distribution” system after university, where graduates were being directed to workplaces all over the union.

      If you mean these days, I don’t think there’s been a vote on invading Ukraine.

      A strong majority of russian are genocidal imperialists. Not because of any inherent qualities, it’s the choices they make.

      Well, since you’ve pulled some Ukrainian roots for your position, I’ll say that I’m Armenian and those Ukrainians I’ve met who’d open their mouth on Artsakh did not lead me to believe that Ukrainians make better choices (and they can stick whatever they call “international law” where sun don’t shine, if that set of rules in their opinion makes a land consistently Armenian since before Slavs made it into written history and till now to be Azeri, because in USSR someone decided so and some bastards “recognized” it as such).

      I will just add that the russians should take ownership of the outcomes in their history (not just 1996 election, but more generally). They are not children and they need to take responsibility without looking for scapegoats as they always do.

      Do you do the same in full for every identity you apply to yourself? If not, then why are you giving advice to Russians?

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        I believe I was pretty clear when I said I am Ukrainian (living in Ukraine).

        Why in god’s name do you think I would buy into your white-washing of russian genocidal chauvinism?

        What’s the logic here?

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          Things I’ve said are factually true.

          Truth can’t be whitewashing.

          OK, so you live in Ukraine. This gives us what?

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        Ukrainian language was not in any way suppressed in the USSR at any point. My grandmother happens to be from Ukraine.

        That is just factually untrue. Ukrainization occurred in the early days of the USSR under Lenin, but Stalin shortly implemented bans on the Ukrainian language in education, government, and industry, as it was deemed “counterrevolutionary”.

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          but Stalin shortly implemented bans on the Ukrainian language in education, government, and industry, as it was deemed “counterrevolutionary”.

          Any sources for that?

          I dunno, try to imagine useful tech manuals in Pennsylvanian Dutch. Similarly there would be no need to specifically ban Ukrainian.