• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    No, but SCOTUS can “reinterpret” the 14th Amendment. They’ve already taken the argument for a first date and they really liked it.

    [Sane People] claim that anyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen, even if their parents are here illegally. But that ignores the text and legislative history of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868 to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children.

    The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship.

    If you missed it, they’re claiming that undocumented people are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, which is a really great way to lie, They’re hoping people don’t understand their big words. Jurisdiction means to have authority over and enforce laws upon. If the US didn’t have authority over undocumented people then there could be no deportations, arrests, speeding tickets, or HOA complaints against them. It’s ridiculous on it’s face but at least it’s not being pushed by a reputable organization like the Heritage Foundation.

    If you do go read the rest of it, don’t forget they’re showing a very one sided take of definitions that’s favorable to them. They aren’t writing this as a good faith educational piece. For example, we know that courts and the government routinely ignored parts of the reconstruction era acts and Amendments until over a hundred years later. Relying on the opinions of those doing the ignoring is another way for them to talk fast and hope you don’t realize what they’ve done.

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    Can he end it? Probably not.

    Can he sweep up US citizens in his quest to destroy our economy, food supply, and housing?

    Absolutely

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    “Though it’s impossible to say what the Supreme Court may ultimately decide, history and precedent isn’t on Trump’s side.”

    “Hold my beer squee”

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      i can understand history not being on trumps side, but i don’t understand how “precedent” is not on his side. the precedent from the last several years is that the supreme court does not care too much about “precedent”.

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      LOL, how cute. You think that still matters.

      Nothing stopping both houses from just reducing the threshhold because fuck you that’s why, getting Trump to sign off on it, then getting backing by the Supreme Court. Sure, that’s completely at odds with the Constitution, but who’s left to enforce it?

      We already know that at least half the states will just blindly go along with it and say it’s to control immigration, or just because MAGA, or because fuck you that’s why. Threaten the rest with withholding of all federal funding until they get on board and watch how many fall in line. Sure, that’s even more highly illegal, but again…who’s going to stop them? Laws don’t mean shit if there is nobody willing or able to enforce them.

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      Republicans have just over 50% of the Senate and the House. They don’t have a 2/3 supermajority.

      They’ll still pass the legislation by voting in a block, but they can’t push it through without a vote if they don’t have a supermajority.

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        They have the supreme court, which basically allows them to interpret laws anyway they want. Why bother with an the work of changing laws when they can just reinterpret them?

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        2/3rds 2/3rds and 3/4ths are the requirements for a constitutional amendment, which is the requirement to change the citizenship granting mechanism for the country.

        Or for SCOTUS to just decide the words mean something different now like a true ‘originalist’

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          Oh, I misunderstood.

          Yes, that’s if he intends to amend the Constitution. Lucky for him, he can deviate from the Constitution all he wants without repercussions, since the Republican controlled Congress will not hold him accountable to the document, and the conservative SCOTUS will not overturn an unconstitutional law.

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            the conservative SCOTUS will not overturn an unconstitutional law.

            I think you might be surprised here. Conservative judges are inclined to follow the plain meaning of the text of the Constitution at the time it was written. There’s not much wiggle room in this:

            All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

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                I could imagine them trying to include corporations… but seriously, Constitutional textualism is a cornerstone of what it means to be a conservative judge. They’re pretty content to ignore or reverse precedent, but not to get creative about something spelled out plainly in the Constitution.

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                  … but not to get creative about something spelled out plainly in the Constitution.

                  And yet, presidents now have extremely wide criminal immunity.

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          Their plan is to claim that the children of undocumented immigrants are somehow not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and therefore not granted citizenship based on the 14th amendment.

          Yes, it really is as stupid as it sounds; claiming that undocumented immigration gives your descendants the equivalent of diplomatic immunity.

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    It’s gonna be fun if they crack down on immigration and someone argues that kethamine karen is not american and has to go…