I reject that you lump a commercialized platform with decentralized ones. It kind of makes me think you are full of it to begin with.
What happened to Twitter after Muskrat can’t be compared to anything I have ever seen. It is a disservice to reality to try and play like Twitter was already like that. It is now purely a propaganda platform used to subvert democracy.
Reddit was way better before going corporate. You have to be a real bootlicker to think the corporation improved it. You cite some questionable reddits as proof corporate cleaned it up. I just see them commercializing the hard work of millions of people without compensation.
The Fediverse has already fulfilled it promise. While it may not be the final version of the future of decentralization, it is a great start.
I will never give my information or time to another corporate ran social media platform. They proved they are all abusive fucks aand are at war with the very users that allow their platforms to exist.
I guess I’ll start with you calling Elon Musk “Muskrat”. This is like a middle school level insult. It makes your already immature argument seem even more immature. I’m straight up not sure if I’m arguing with a literal child at this point.
Two, Twitter was better before Musk bought it, but it wasn’t in any way good. A million different toxic trends either started or blew up on Twitter. The 2010s was filled with a million different dumbass pearl clutching moments that started with a bunch of terminally online Twitter users making a mountain out of a molehill. It was basically just a constant stream of outrage and sanctimonious nonsense.
That’s not to mention there was plenty of hate speech and attempts to undermine democracy, because the moderation team only really enforced the rules when it came to conservative talking points. You had NYTimes reporters tweeting out how white people should all kill themselves without consequences, while Twitter went around banning people for clowning on laid off journalists by telling them to “learn to code”. Donald Trump was banned, but the Supreme Leader of Iran was welcome with open arms.
Even then, Twitter played a huge role in the formation of the alt right because they were always at least six months too late when it came to banning anyone. The culture war doesn’t get off the ground if Twitter just blacklists a bunch of straight up Russian propaganda websites and banhammers Milo. They also were extremely late to the party when it came to banning those ISIS recruitment videos, which is even more inexcusable.
I reject the idea that reddit was ever really that good. It was better in some ways, but a lot of the most toxic reddit moments happened before it went corporate. Off the top of my head:
The softcore child porn
The stalker pictures of women
The time they had a huge thread where they all collectively gained sympathy to rapists
The “seduction” subreddits that basically attempted to convince naive young men that “seduction” meant putting women into a situation where they consented due to extreme social pressures.
The time they identified the wrong person as the Boston bomber
The non toxic content was extremely hit or miss. You’d get more in depth discussion, but it would be between a ton of extremely myopic pseudo intellectual posts. Basically half of reddit was something like:
Religion bad, but only Christianity
I am euphoric because my atheism and intelligence enlightens me
Republicans bad
I have literal superpowers now that I stopped masturbating
Some half true historical fact that gets repeated a million different times because it fits everyone’s worldview
Keanu Reeves
Rage comics
DAE hate sportsball ???
Finally, a huge portion of the reason reddit went downhill was the unpaid mods. They were often unwell individuals who used their position to push progressive politics. There was a good five years where basically every sub over a certain size was essentially a progressive politics sub, because they were all modded by the same people who saw the users as a captive audience.
Social media just isn’t a good place for unique content or discourse. That’s not gonna change no matter who the owner is.
That was a lot. Just kidding, you basically confirmed everything I said, you just took your time doing it. I find it funny you think insulting poor Elon would somehow detract from what I said.
Let me break it down for you. Elon is a Nepo baby manchild sexually assaulting conman. The real immaturity is people who are boot lickers buying into his propaganda that he knows more about manufacturing than anyone else.
This is of course bullshit as the thing he knows the most about us fucking his own employees to produce twelve, that we know of, crotch goblins that he does not take care of. Not only is he a shit dad he has already disowned one of his children confirming the garbage human he is.
He is not really CEO of two companies, this is a fantasy as it is not humanly possible. He does not really have involvement in five other businesses, he doesn’t even have the time to be two CEO at once. He does not care of his children. He does spend a lot of time voicing his shit opinions on Twatter, doing drugs, and playing video games. These are the things we can confirm he does
So please tell me I am child because I recognize he is a charlatan.
My original comment was about how that Twitter and Reddit were toxic long before they were “ruined”, and that Bluesky/Mastadon/Lemmy will probably run into the same problem even without any corporate interference.
You are a child because you just saw Elon’s name and had a complete conniption, and have repeatedly attempted to make the entire conversation about him as opposed to the nature of social media.
You also have the tone of a teenager who is arguing against someone obligated to listen, be polite, and attempt to get you to grow up even in the most minor of ways. You have this “fuck you I’m right” level of vitriol is designed to either piss people off or shock people into backing down. You have this prose that alternates between oddly formal and shit you’d see in a discord chat rooms. Anyone who doesn’t already emphatically agree with you is just going to tune you out.
As I have stated earlier, Twitter was toxic before Elon. Reddit was arguably more toxic before it went corporate. I dont think any of these fediverse sites solve the fundamental problems that made these sites so toxic.
Your original statement was designed to conflate entirely different platforms as all toxic inherently regardless of corporate influence. This is demonstrably wrong.
Corporations have pushed these communities to become far more toxic through algorithms to push engagement thus creating the echo chambers you seem to be so concerned about.
Listen, I know it is not always easy to agree with people and I agree with most of what you say. I am just pointing out you are a little bit wrong about this one thing and that is open platforms that are not controlled by a singular entity are better and should not be lumped in with the corporate trash.
I am sorry you have a boner for Elon. That is you boo. You brought him a up so I talked about him. That is how conversations work in the real world.
Let me explain how stupid your prose of you must be a teenager which is meant to demean your fellow commenter is. You talk about being polite when you are the one being an asshole. So please spare me your shit.
You think open non-centralized platforms are no better than commercialized monetized platforms that actually create echo chambers. Your opinion is simply garbage.
I reject that you lump a commercialized platform with decentralized ones. It kind of makes me think you are full of it to begin with.
What happened to Twitter after Muskrat can’t be compared to anything I have ever seen. It is a disservice to reality to try and play like Twitter was already like that. It is now purely a propaganda platform used to subvert democracy.
Reddit was way better before going corporate. You have to be a real bootlicker to think the corporation improved it. You cite some questionable reddits as proof corporate cleaned it up. I just see them commercializing the hard work of millions of people without compensation.
The Fediverse has already fulfilled it promise. While it may not be the final version of the future of decentralization, it is a great start.
I will never give my information or time to another corporate ran social media platform. They proved they are all abusive fucks aand are at war with the very users that allow their platforms to exist.
So, this is a lot.
I guess I’ll start with you calling Elon Musk “Muskrat”. This is like a middle school level insult. It makes your already immature argument seem even more immature. I’m straight up not sure if I’m arguing with a literal child at this point.
Two, Twitter was better before Musk bought it, but it wasn’t in any way good. A million different toxic trends either started or blew up on Twitter. The 2010s was filled with a million different dumbass pearl clutching moments that started with a bunch of terminally online Twitter users making a mountain out of a molehill. It was basically just a constant stream of outrage and sanctimonious nonsense.
That’s not to mention there was plenty of hate speech and attempts to undermine democracy, because the moderation team only really enforced the rules when it came to conservative talking points. You had NYTimes reporters tweeting out how white people should all kill themselves without consequences, while Twitter went around banning people for clowning on laid off journalists by telling them to “learn to code”. Donald Trump was banned, but the Supreme Leader of Iran was welcome with open arms.
Even then, Twitter played a huge role in the formation of the alt right because they were always at least six months too late when it came to banning anyone. The culture war doesn’t get off the ground if Twitter just blacklists a bunch of straight up Russian propaganda websites and banhammers Milo. They also were extremely late to the party when it came to banning those ISIS recruitment videos, which is even more inexcusable.
I reject the idea that reddit was ever really that good. It was better in some ways, but a lot of the most toxic reddit moments happened before it went corporate. Off the top of my head:
The non toxic content was extremely hit or miss. You’d get more in depth discussion, but it would be between a ton of extremely myopic pseudo intellectual posts. Basically half of reddit was something like:
Finally, a huge portion of the reason reddit went downhill was the unpaid mods. They were often unwell individuals who used their position to push progressive politics. There was a good five years where basically every sub over a certain size was essentially a progressive politics sub, because they were all modded by the same people who saw the users as a captive audience.
Social media just isn’t a good place for unique content or discourse. That’s not gonna change no matter who the owner is.
That was a lot. Just kidding, you basically confirmed everything I said, you just took your time doing it. I find it funny you think insulting poor Elon would somehow detract from what I said.
Let me break it down for you. Elon is a Nepo baby manchild sexually assaulting conman. The real immaturity is people who are boot lickers buying into his propaganda that he knows more about manufacturing than anyone else.
This is of course bullshit as the thing he knows the most about us fucking his own employees to produce twelve, that we know of, crotch goblins that he does not take care of. Not only is he a shit dad he has already disowned one of his children confirming the garbage human he is.
He is not really CEO of two companies, this is a fantasy as it is not humanly possible. He does not really have involvement in five other businesses, he doesn’t even have the time to be two CEO at once. He does not care of his children. He does spend a lot of time voicing his shit opinions on Twatter, doing drugs, and playing video games. These are the things we can confirm he does
So please tell me I am child because I recognize he is a charlatan.
My original comment was about how that Twitter and Reddit were toxic long before they were “ruined”, and that Bluesky/Mastadon/Lemmy will probably run into the same problem even without any corporate interference.
You are a child because you just saw Elon’s name and had a complete conniption, and have repeatedly attempted to make the entire conversation about him as opposed to the nature of social media.
You also have the tone of a teenager who is arguing against someone obligated to listen, be polite, and attempt to get you to grow up even in the most minor of ways. You have this “fuck you I’m right” level of vitriol is designed to either piss people off or shock people into backing down. You have this prose that alternates between oddly formal and shit you’d see in a discord chat rooms. Anyone who doesn’t already emphatically agree with you is just going to tune you out.
As I have stated earlier, Twitter was toxic before Elon. Reddit was arguably more toxic before it went corporate. I dont think any of these fediverse sites solve the fundamental problems that made these sites so toxic.
Your original statement was designed to conflate entirely different platforms as all toxic inherently regardless of corporate influence. This is demonstrably wrong.
Corporations have pushed these communities to become far more toxic through algorithms to push engagement thus creating the echo chambers you seem to be so concerned about.
Listen, I know it is not always easy to agree with people and I agree with most of what you say. I am just pointing out you are a little bit wrong about this one thing and that is open platforms that are not controlled by a singular entity are better and should not be lumped in with the corporate trash.
I am sorry you have a boner for Elon. That is you boo. You brought him a up so I talked about him. That is how conversations work in the real world.
Let me explain how stupid your prose of you must be a teenager which is meant to demean your fellow commenter is. You talk about being polite when you are the one being an asshole. So please spare me your shit.
You think open non-centralized platforms are no better than commercialized monetized platforms that actually create echo chambers. Your opinion is simply garbage.