I think the DNC sucks and messaging could’ve been better.
But I frankly also believe that for anyone who supposedly what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult then you’re kind of a moron. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. Yes, Stagnation is infinitely better than fascism intentionally sabotaging the system.
So I choose to hope people actually didn’t know how good Harris was relative to how bad Trump was because mostly rich white men control the vast majority of what people see.
People need to remember… The demographics of Lemmy let’s just say aren’t even remotely reflective of the American electorate. You’re lucky if people watch more than the Fox News in their physician’s waiting room or work breakroom, supplemented by their social media feed and YouTube algorithm peddling Red-pilled incel bullshit and trash like Joe Rogan.
Like, do you think people are actually tuning into AP or NPR or BBC or ProPublica investigations? You think they’re reading long form written journalist pieces or PBS Frontline documents ties? Fuuuuck no. It’s closer to work-drink-sports-talk shows-church-work-bar-sports-social media, rinse repeat.
You’re stupid if you’re unhappy with the status quo. You’re stupid if you have a problem with genocide. You’re stupid if you can’t afford groceries! Can’t you see that billionaires are doing just fine? You’re stupid if you notice that the party abandoned you and still demands unearned perfect fealty no matter what they do.
Anyone who disagrees with the republican-adjacent wing of the party has to be stupid because otherwise we might have to listen to them. And we’ll never do that. They’re stupid and we hate them.
Did you vote for Kamala? Then you’re not stupid. You did what you could, now we have to do more.
I disagree with the “voters are stupid” rhetoric because those people tend to ignore the Democrats’ responsibility in their own loss, but if you read further, that’s not what this person was doing.
I sure feel stupid for doing so. Voted in favor of a pro-genocide candidate, got blamed for her loss because I griped.
I disagree with the “voters are stupid” rhetoric because those people tend to ignore the Democrats’ responsibility in their own loss, but if you read further, that’s not what this person was doing.
It sure looks like they were arguing for further appeasement of the right because everyone who disagrees with them is stupid.
Their central criticism is that people are lulled into more right-leaning positions by right-wing propaganda, which is true: the right wing has bought basically all media. Everybody takes marching orders.
So, people are stupid, but this is a deliberate move: stupidity benefits the right.
If by “appeasement of the right” you mean “accepting of the genocide,” I will fault no person for caring about what’s happening over there. If the democrats wanted to win, they should have let go of their psychotic, white-knuckle grip on the Israel military fund. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this severely weakened their bid for the presidency.
That said, I can’t say we’re in a better position now with Trump. My hope for the people of Gaza now is either maga incompetence, or that Trump and Netanyahu make some kind of fascist quid-pro-quo deal not unlike the “Trump saves TikTok” publicity stunt.
If by “appeasement of the right” you mean “accepting of the genocide,”
And adopting republican border policy, running anti-trans hate in their own ads, courting the endorsement of Dick Cheney, promising to appoint a republican to the cabinet, and yes, continuing to sell arms for genocide.
If the democrats wanted to win, they should have let go of their psychotic, white-knuckle grip on the Israel military fund. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this severely weakened their bid for the presidency.
Agreed.
That said, I can’t say we’re in a better position now with Trump.
Of course we’re not. But this is what Democrats preferred to listening to anyone on the left flank of their own party.
You’re stupid if you’re unhappy with the status quo. You’re stupid if you have a problem with genocide.
Nah. Not what I said. You can be concerned with these things as I am but still find the choice to vote for Harris very easy.
You’re stupid if you can’t afford groceries!
You may be ignorant if you believe grocery prices were in the control of Biden / Harris, especially in the wake of a divided Congress. Even so, the choice to vote for Harris should’ve been incredibly easy.
Can’t you see that billionaires are doing just fine?
Yes, the rich are the problem. I agree. Still should’ve been easy to vote for Harris as opposed to not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote Trump.
You’re stupid if you notice that the party abandoned you and still demands unearned perfect fealty no matter what they do.
All this skirts the underlying point: for anyone who supposedly saw what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult — even in spite of all those aforementioned factors — then you’re kind of a moron ignorant. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. I’ll rephrase because at least ignorance suggests one can change.
Harris > Trump on Gaza (and the probability of actually effecting future change, notably).
Harris > Trump on Women’s Rights.
Harris > Trump on LGBTQ+ Rights.
Harris > Trump on Immigrants’ Rights.
Harris > Trump on Ukrainian Genocide perpetrated by Russia.
Harris > Trump on Climate Change. (You realize this will kill more people than Gaza in the long-run, right?)
Moreover:
Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.
Why was this not easy for you? It was CAKE for me, and I care about Gazans, too. There was no magical fairy-tale alternative candidate; this was a binary election. It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine — but was between a rock and a hard place.
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you.
I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.
Please then admit that you don’t care about:
Climate Change
Immigrant’s Rights
Women’s Rights
LGBTQ+ rights
Ukrainian civilian lives
It did not. At all. At any point.
Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:
Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.
But I frankly also believe that for anyone who supposedly what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult then you’re kind of a moron. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. Yes, Stagnation is infinitely better than fascism intentionally sabotaging the system.
It’s not stagnation, to make that clear. The Dems were promising a slower slide into rock bottom (they coopted the Republican border wall if you remember that). That aside okay, and? That doesn’t contradict my point. You can consider voters morons, which I don’t agree with but let’s set aside. That is something and whether they were operating off incomplete information is something else; your argument here seems to be built on wishful thinking.
People need to remember… The demographics of Lemmy let’s just say aren’t even remotely reflective of the American electorate.
I mean yes but the idea that the average voter is an uneducated, critical thinking-lacking sack of potatoes who never thinks about politics beyond election day is also wrong. The median voter maybe, but the average voter no. The average voter is an average; the concept includes everything from progressives to far right MAGAsz and I’ll note that part of the reason Biden won in 2020 was his popularity with the former. To take Gaza for example, there’s this poll. People are paying attention more than you seem to be thinking.
Wow that article is damning. As a feeling, thinking human being, I hate what Israel has done. But I am shocked that it was on non-voters’ minds so powerfully. I encourage everyone to check out that link above. It’s not just a poll, it’s an article that answers questions you may have about bias etc.
I think the DNC sucks and messaging could’ve been better.
But I frankly also believe that for anyone who supposedly what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult then you’re kind of a moron. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. Yes, Stagnation is infinitely better than fascism intentionally sabotaging the system.
So I choose to hope people actually didn’t know how good Harris was relative to how bad Trump was because mostly rich white men control the vast majority of what people see.
People need to remember… The demographics of Lemmy let’s just say aren’t even remotely reflective of the American electorate. You’re lucky if people watch more than the Fox News in their physician’s waiting room or work breakroom, supplemented by their social media feed and YouTube algorithm peddling Red-pilled incel bullshit and trash like Joe Rogan.
Like, do you think people are actually tuning into AP or NPR or BBC or ProPublica investigations? You think they’re reading long form written journalist pieces or PBS Frontline documents ties? Fuuuuck no. It’s closer to work-drink-sports-talk shows-church-work-bar-sports-social media, rinse repeat.
You’re stupid if you’re unhappy with the status quo. You’re stupid if you have a problem with genocide. You’re stupid if you can’t afford groceries! Can’t you see that billionaires are doing just fine? You’re stupid if you notice that the party abandoned you and still demands unearned perfect fealty no matter what they do.
Anyone who disagrees with the republican-adjacent wing of the party has to be stupid because otherwise we might have to listen to them. And we’ll never do that. They’re stupid and we hate them.
Did you vote for Kamala? Then you’re not stupid. You did what you could, now we have to do more.
I disagree with the “voters are stupid” rhetoric because those people tend to ignore the Democrats’ responsibility in their own loss, but if you read further, that’s not what this person was doing.
I sure feel stupid for doing so. Voted in favor of a pro-genocide candidate, got blamed for her loss because I griped.
It sure looks like they were arguing for further appeasement of the right because everyone who disagrees with them is stupid.
Their central criticism is that people are lulled into more right-leaning positions by right-wing propaganda, which is true: the right wing has bought basically all media. Everybody takes marching orders.
So, people are stupid, but this is a deliberate move: stupidity benefits the right.
If by “appeasement of the right” you mean “accepting of the genocide,” I will fault no person for caring about what’s happening over there. If the democrats wanted to win, they should have let go of their psychotic, white-knuckle grip on the Israel military fund. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this severely weakened their bid for the presidency.
That said, I can’t say we’re in a better position now with Trump. My hope for the people of Gaza now is either maga incompetence, or that Trump and Netanyahu make some kind of fascist quid-pro-quo deal not unlike the “Trump saves TikTok” publicity stunt.
And adopting republican border policy, running anti-trans hate in their own ads, courting the endorsement of Dick Cheney, promising to appoint a republican to the cabinet, and yes, continuing to sell arms for genocide.
Agreed.
Of course we’re not. But this is what Democrats preferred to listening to anyone on the left flank of their own party.
Nah. Not what I said. You can be concerned with these things as I am but still find the choice to vote for Harris very easy.
You may be ignorant if you believe grocery prices were in the control of Biden / Harris, especially in the wake of a divided Congress. Even so, the choice to vote for Harris should’ve been incredibly easy.
Yes, the rich are the problem. I agree. Still should’ve been easy to vote for Harris as opposed to not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote Trump.
All this skirts the underlying point: for anyone who supposedly saw what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult — even in spite of all those aforementioned factors — then you’re kind of a
moronignorant. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. I’ll rephrase because at least ignorance suggests one can change.If you’re a monster who is just fine with genocide, sure.
I voted like you wanted. I hate both of us for it.
Well since you voted for Harris, I guess you’re not whom I’m speaking to, now, are you? Why then are you making this about you?
I voted for her. I did not find it easy. Anyone who did find it easy after the genocide support is a fucking psychopath.
Moreover:
Why was this not easy for you? It was CAKE for me, and I care about Gazans, too. There was no magical fairy-tale alternative candidate; this was a binary election. It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine — but was between a rock and a hard place.
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Because I’m not the sort of psycho that wants to give genocide support a mandate.
It did not. At all. At any point.
I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.
Please then admit that you don’t care about:
Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.
It’s not stagnation, to make that clear. The Dems were promising a slower slide into rock bottom (they coopted the Republican border wall if you remember that). That aside okay, and? That doesn’t contradict my point. You can consider voters morons, which I don’t agree with but let’s set aside. That is something and whether they were operating off incomplete information is something else; your argument here seems to be built on wishful thinking.
I mean yes but the idea that the average voter is an uneducated, critical thinking-lacking sack of potatoes who never thinks about politics beyond election day is also wrong. The median voter maybe, but the average voter no. The average voter is an average; the concept includes everything from progressives to far right MAGAsz and I’ll note that part of the reason Biden won in 2020 was his popularity with the former. To take Gaza for example, there’s this poll. People are paying attention more than you seem to be thinking.
Wow that article is damning. As a feeling, thinking human being, I hate what Israel has done. But I am shocked that it was on non-voters’ minds so powerfully. I encourage everyone to check out that link above. It’s not just a poll, it’s an article that answers questions you may have about bias etc.