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  • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    2 days ago

    I’m sure she would find equivocating the US with Russia very reasonable

    • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
      42·
      2 days ago

      She doesn’t, but that’s my whole point: it’s a personal perspective. If you ask a person from Palestine, Vietnam, many places in South America, Yemen, Iraq, etc. their gripes would be different from my own, which as an Italian are different already from my wife’s etc.

      So which moral claims do you accommodate? The obvious answer is everyone’s, by allowing each user to choose where indirectly give money. However this is apparently technically hard, so either you shut down or you simply decide that you can’t accommodate any, and make good in other areas (I.e. through privacy-preserving services).

      • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        2 days ago

        Russian money is directly killing people now, and if people use false equivalence like “everyone bad” then the war keeps going

        Russia should be shut off from the Western world

        • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          So does US one in Palestine. So does UAE, and many more. It’s not a matter of “everyone bad” is the fact that legitimately if the criteria is no paying anybody in a country that is involved in killing people, or that uses services from such a country, you reach everyone. And in this case it would be not using kagi directly as a US company.

          The war in Ukraine is much closer to me, but if we are talking principles I need to understand that a person from Lebanon or Palestine, or other places might have different perspective and they would demand that “we don’t do business to X” has a different “X”. So to accommodate most or all of these perspectives, you need to necessarily include more countries, as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not the only active war at the moment.

            • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              What about weapons? Money buy those too. Or that doesn’t count for your moral principles?

                • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
                  1·
                  5 hours ago

                  So they cancel each other? Do you get a choice when you pay a US company to state that those taxes will need to go to Ukraine and not Israel?

                  Also there is a quantitative difference:

                  • yandex is a small % of kagi cost, of that a small percentage will go to Russian government (directly or indirectly) and of those money a part will go into military.
                  • kagi is US based, and Google is their main cost center. So if you consider a 10$ subscription a much much bigger chunk will go to US companies or people - who also live in US and spend money there, generating taxes. A part of all these money will go into weapons sent to Israel (or to bomb Somalia, etc.). A part will also go to Ukraine, which for the broken watch theory is one of the few times US military expense is used for something good (probably worth some caveats but OK).

                  Can you please elaborate what causes for you to perceive these two facts as completely different?

                  • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    30 minutes ago

                    Russians directly kill, rape, and torture Ukrainians. To compare this to a country that only sells weapons to Israel (and Ukraine too) is real dishonest.

                    It’s a false equivalence