The USA is better than this. We should not be forcing people to live in tiny little dorms to work in our tech hubs due to housing costs. Build more apartments, fund it through corporate taxes and actually make San Francisco affordable for our brightest tech workers.
Tech workers shouldn't be working from an onsite location unless they're touching hardware…there shouldn't be a central location they're all at anyways.
I don't know about shouldn't. I think that there should always be the option to work remotely, but I much prefer to work in an office where I can have a separate mental space from home and be able to build meaningful relationships with my coworkers.
Ok but most of this can be solved by going to literally any co-working space.
And as far as getting to know coworkers–wouldn't you rather pick your friends from people you can choose to be around?
Sorry, don't take my spicy opinion personally. I think I've read too many dumbass return-to-office mandates that use stuff like your preference as leverage. Obviously, it's not your fault they do that.
It’s not about picking friends. It’s about building trust and connection with the people you are already spending all this time with. It’s hard to tackle big challenges with people you barely know and don’t trust.
Co working space? No thanks. That’s like a motel versus a home. They’re dirty and noisy. Our employer keeps a great office space with everything we need and no coworking space can compare. It’s also a permanent space we know after years of working there. And I’ll bump into more distant coworkers there just by chance. With co working spaces you basically have to plan specific days to meet specific people somewhere, and it cuts down on serendipitous connection.
Working in a coworking space has all the problems of office working without any of the benefits.
I don’t need to be friends with my coworkers, but having non-scheduled interaction with them makes working with them much much easier. I worked on 3 different remote teams and I honestly don’t even think I could name most of my former coworkers, let alone recognize them.
My old company is a great example. They love to say collaboration and shit as a reason to be in office, but you need to ask your CO for permission to speak in office
While a co-working space would indeed help with having a separate work environment, I disagree that it would help with the social part of my problem with remote work. Not only do I feel far less like I am "part of a team" when I'm with a remote team, but often it leads to a lot of friction on collaboration in my own work. I'm quite headstrong and have trouble reaching out for help when I'm stuck with things, and part of addressing that is lowering the friction involved in getting help as much as possible. Idk, this is all anecdote and maybe isn't as applicable if you're not doing software development, but it's what I've experienced.
I would love to see incentives to have people work from home in towns that need the population. I think a lot of people would like to live somewhere more rural if they didn't have to commute… but we would need to fix public transportation if we did that. Otherwise we're just adding more cars and miles.
I live rural, and wfh and have been for nearly a decade now. My cars get way less use than when I had to go into the office. Rural doesn't mean more traveling and cars if you're working from home.
I can’t see the locals in such places taking kindly to any formal program to move people there. We can say “these areas need population” but they will say “it’s driving up rents and they’re a bunch of city slicking tech bros and we hate them.”
The areas that truly, undeniably need population are so bombed-out that no one with any other options will live there.
Wouldn't it be incredible if smaller tech companies spread out a bit? There are plenty of small towns in America that could use any form of industry to keep them alive.
There aren’t many skilled workers in those areas though, and you’d need a lot of money to convince people to move to a less desirable area just for you.
Not everyone works well remote. I much prefer a hybrid model and honestly wouldn’t even consider working somewhere that’s 100% WFH. All that WFH does for me is decrease how much work I get done and make every waking moment in my home feel like work because I live in a 1 bedroom apartment.
Hybrid working is completely useless if you’re not in the same space as your coworkers.
I get that some people don’t like working in person, but it’s much easier to get things done and to get short, off the cuff answers without sitting around blocked for 2 hours because nobody will take 2 minutes to answer a question.
Well, no. Im not going to ignore the last 80 years. Of course progress takes time and future-looking we can still do much better. We have the means, we have the land, we have the know how.
Workers have been treated progressively worse since the Reagan era. You're really only talking about a few decades of labor progress in the last century followed by decline.
And that was only because they had to beat the nazis and afterwards prove that capitalism wasn't worse for common folk than communism. Once that credible bogeyman was gone, we were left with TINA, so they went back to screwing everyone over.
The USA is better than this. We should not be forcing people to live in tiny little dorms to work in our tech hubs due to housing costs. Build more apartments, fund it through corporate taxes and actually make San Francisco affordable for our brightest tech workers.
Tech workers shouldn't be working from an onsite location unless they're touching hardware…there shouldn't be a central location they're all at anyways.
I don't know about shouldn't. I think that there should always be the option to work remotely, but I much prefer to work in an office where I can have a separate mental space from home and be able to build meaningful relationships with my coworkers.
Ok but most of this can be solved by going to literally any co-working space.
And as far as getting to know coworkers–wouldn't you rather pick your friends from people you can choose to be around?
Sorry, don't take my spicy opinion personally. I think I've read too many dumbass return-to-office mandates that use stuff like your preference as leverage. Obviously, it's not your fault they do that.
It’s not about picking friends. It’s about building trust and connection with the people you are already spending all this time with. It’s hard to tackle big challenges with people you barely know and don’t trust.
Co working space? No thanks. That’s like a motel versus a home. They’re dirty and noisy. Our employer keeps a great office space with everything we need and no coworking space can compare. It’s also a permanent space we know after years of working there. And I’ll bump into more distant coworkers there just by chance. With co working spaces you basically have to plan specific days to meet specific people somewhere, and it cuts down on serendipitous connection.
Working in a coworking space has all the problems of office working without any of the benefits.
I don’t need to be friends with my coworkers, but having non-scheduled interaction with them makes working with them much much easier. I worked on 3 different remote teams and I honestly don’t even think I could name most of my former coworkers, let alone recognize them.
My old company is a great example. They love to say collaboration and shit as a reason to be in office, but you need to ask your CO for permission to speak in office
While a co-working space would indeed help with having a separate work environment, I disagree that it would help with the social part of my problem with remote work. Not only do I feel far less like I am "part of a team" when I'm with a remote team, but often it leads to a lot of friction on collaboration in my own work. I'm quite headstrong and have trouble reaching out for help when I'm stuck with things, and part of addressing that is lowering the friction involved in getting help as much as possible. Idk, this is all anecdote and maybe isn't as applicable if you're not doing software development, but it's what I've experienced.
I would love to see incentives to have people work from home in towns that need the population. I think a lot of people would like to live somewhere more rural if they didn't have to commute… but we would need to fix public transportation if we did that. Otherwise we're just adding more cars and miles.
I live rural, and wfh and have been for nearly a decade now. My cars get way less use than when I had to go into the office. Rural doesn't mean more traveling and cars if you're working from home.
I can’t see the locals in such places taking kindly to any formal program to move people there. We can say “these areas need population” but they will say “it’s driving up rents and they’re a bunch of city slicking tech bros and we hate them.”
The areas that truly, undeniably need population are so bombed-out that no one with any other options will live there.
Agreed.
Wouldn't it be incredible if smaller tech companies spread out a bit? There are plenty of small towns in America that could use any form of industry to keep them alive.
There aren’t many skilled workers in those areas though, and you’d need a lot of money to convince people to move to a less desirable area just for you.
Not everyone works well remote. I much prefer a hybrid model and honestly wouldn’t even consider working somewhere that’s 100% WFH. All that WFH does for me is decrease how much work I get done and make every waking moment in my home feel like work because I live in a 1 bedroom apartment.
Okay, then be somebody that goes in office?
That's nice, rent a co-working space.
Hybrid working is completely useless if you’re not in the same space as your coworkers.
I get that some people don’t like working in person, but it’s much easier to get things done and to get short, off the cuff answers without sitting around blocked for 2 hours because nobody will take 2 minutes to answer a question.
History suggests that the USA really isn't better than this. If you ignore the post WWII boom period, workers being treated terribly is the norm.
Well, no. Im not going to ignore the last 80 years. Of course progress takes time and future-looking we can still do much better. We have the means, we have the land, we have the know how.
Workers have been treated progressively worse since the Reagan era. You're really only talking about a few decades of labor progress in the last century followed by decline.
And that was only because they had to beat the nazis and afterwards prove that capitalism wasn't worse for common folk than communism. Once that credible bogeyman was gone, we were left with TINA, so they went back to screwing everyone over.
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