Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.

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    We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.

    So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.

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      The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic

      However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power

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        The old rule has already been overthrown. By Trump, far right white Christian nationalists, and silicon valley. Unfortunately, it’s being replaced with something way worse.

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          I am not sure I agree that the old rule was replaced. Before, the oligarchs ruled from the shadows by controlling political campaign finances and lobbyists. But now, the oligarchs are so powerful they are ruling directly. The country is still heading in the same direction (relentless growth of power disparity between the rich and power) just at a quicker pace.

          FDR was the last US president that fought for the working class. Every President since Reagan has overseen policies that have weakened the working class and transfered power to the rich. Republicans were far more aggressive about it, but liberals still did it at a slower rate.

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          yea, like what is currently happening is a “non-violent” coup. They used anger, mass disinformation and propaganda.

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            Still non violent. As fucked as it is, there has been very little violence. Maybe some crazies at protests. Compare that to other revolutions it’s almost nothing.

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    I literally rage quit reddit over this. Hence why am on Lemmy now. Hopefully we can draw more users from Reddit over here. Esp with the boycott of all things US.

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      you would probably banned eventually anyways, since luigi is enough to have you banned. i was banned a few weeks before this for some other stupid reason. apparently people were getting banned anyway after temp ban is lifted.

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    This reminded me that I’m still watching some subs through still existing mirrors like undelete so I don’t give reddit views, and I noticed that a big 21k upvoted post on subredditdrama about /r/conservative starting to panic over whether trump even knows what he’s doing was deleted. All I can imagine for why it was deleted was intervention because of this rule, I couldn’t find a mod post on it, it might have been admin intervention. EDIT: There was a mod post, that it was going to stay up, but then another mod who posts in dogwhistle subs and has a tendency of removing posts from /r/conservative did. It WAS mods this time, but it’s still bad actors pushing a certain outcome.

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    Let’s not play dumb. Evoking the image of Luigi is in itself a gesture towards violence. That’s the point. Why discuss billionaires and show a picture of Luigi instead of Mary Poppins? Because of what Luigi did and what he represents. It’s implying a desirable solution.

    It’s bullshit that Reddit removes this stuff, and it reveals where their loyalties lie, but we’re not on Reddit anymore.

    Stop acting like a conservative and just say what you mean.

    Or maybe act more like a conservative and obscure your viewpoints more so they don’t get banned. Let’s go Mary Poppins memes.

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    Honestly: leave Reddit to the bots.

    Anyone who is still there after all the bullshit, well, I would argue that either they’re oblivious, or some kind of bootlicker, either way, we are probably better off without them.

    On an unrelated note, I hope Luigi gets Justice. I mean, he won’t, but… I can hope.

    The just outcome for Luigi is to acquit him. He acted in the best interest of the people. He was protecting and serving the people. He’s a better enforcement officer than any LEO I’ve ever met.

    Best of all, he wasn’t tasked with doing it. Nobody asked him to, nor did anyone pay him for his efforts. He’s a hero of the people. IMO, his actions, while extreme, are on par with someone who saves a person from a burning car, or picks up a victim and drives them to the hospital so they can get to the care they need more quickly. Luigi just did it on a much broader scale. Here’s this guy that’s preventing people from getting to the care they need. He’s like a bouncer for a hospital. So when an injured patent rolls up and the bouncer says “no” to providing care, it’s reasonable to remove that bouncer by any means necessary to save the people that he’s blocking from getting the care they need.

    Yes, he used methods that are unconventional. Yes, he probably shouldn’t have. The outcome is the same. He moved the needle towards good.

    While I can sympathize with those that lost their father/brother/husband/son/etc. I can’t sympathize with the man that was removed from blocking critical care to those who needed it, paid for it, and wanted it.

    Anyone in charge at any US insurance company: they’re is blood on your hands. Do the right thing, or Luigi won’t be the last martyr to go down for the good of the people.

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      half the site runs on bots, ive been pointing out how people are getting worked up in nnews and politics over the fact its bots, mainly russian and US bots ragebaiting people. LEO all are there only support the wealthy class, yea luigi was wealthy himself and a right winger, (dont know if hes now though)

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      Oh, did he actually do it?

      Because last I checked, he’s a suspect and there’s no guilty verdict.

      So if anything, this is just a innocent until proven guilty guy.

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    If “Section 230” is repealed by the Maga-Idiots any US social media plattfrom will become liable for what the user’s posts, they will have to do MUCH cleanup.

    Any threat. Any wrongful accusation, and harm done to reputation will be OWNED not by the user in question… but the company providing the plattform, as if they are a newspaper and all users are staff writers.

    Imagine writing “Dodge only make shitty cars that break all the time” on X, and X is now held accountable by Stellantis for damaging their reputation.

    I hope they do it. Plattforms that make billions from free work of the users, should own the liabilities.

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      it would also un-shield any site from user generated content, making lemmy instance operators liable. all comment boxes on any site would disappear; the dead internet theory would become a reality overnight within the us

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        Well than don’t operate within the US.

        The Maga aßholes want to be hateful on the internet without getting moderated. Without moderation it’s okay that the plattform becomes the publisher and is liable. I’d not be sad for meta/reddit/Twitter to just implode on legal fees… owning the fake news they allow to be distributed…while making money off advertisers…

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      I was for this when it passed originally but now seeing what these companies have done with it in the intervening years, I think maybe I was giving them too much benefit of the doubt

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    I think it’s interesting people keep posting things about this particular person when it’s likely to be filtered in all kiinds of media.

    Not that I’m advocating for violence, but man, it seems like the people doing this would get their point across a lot more easily by posting pictures of groups of teens.

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      I’d say letting people realize that even a picture of the guy with no violent messages attached gets removed is a really good way to get a point across.

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      Everyone worships him and his deeds at the same time you let America turn into a dictatorship and let trump destroy everything. So hypocritical to celebrate him but at the same time sipping coffee watching all your future being destroyed… Luigi, on the other hand, has taken action… what about you and the heads in the sand? Hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites FCK Amerika

      Pretty sure he is pissed on the citizen too!

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        It’s all hero worship, our civic tradition is (unintentionally?) very heavily based on The Great Man concept, Washington crossed the Potomac, not the people in the army, MLK won the right for civil rights, not the thousands of people working together for decades, etc etc

        Luigi will save us (no, it will take all of us)

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          Well, it will definitely end with WW3 thanks to Trump. He has already given the go-ahead for global rearmament. Although too many still deny it (outside America)… The East has heard the starting signal for his first term and enjoyed the destabilization. The West is still in the process of realizing that… which means it’s already too late, they slept through it. The East is better positioned for war. The one that provided the balance (America) is not ready for war, because one way or another there will be a civil war before the ethical cleansing begins. Also, every democrat should have a weapon for the future to protect themselves.

          Trump always blames others for what he himself plans… Well now he blames others for starting ww3… 1+1= trump wants ww3 and to thin America of population.

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        Our insurance is tied to our jobs. If we lose our jobs, we lose any potential for financial stability in the face of illness or injury. If you protest and get hurt, you’re on your own.

        It’s a billionaires world, and we’re just living in it.

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          Well, 200 years ago Slavery for all was just normal in the US. Now it is only “normal” for people incarcerated, often on trumped up charges.

          Things won’t change by staying inactive.

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          How? If they get killed. death people cant do anything

          Luigi was also aware before he did it that his life would be over. It didn’t stop him from doing the right thing.

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        I’m not saying that anyone should stop supporting him.

        I am saying that if the end goal is to communicate messages of support for the types of things he did, it would likely make more sense to post pictures that couldn’t be easily filtered.

        Groups of teens would get a message across(“guillotines”) but would be difficult to filter effectively.

        Pictures of one particular character are a lot easier to block.

        Filtering systems can effectively block 100% of pictures of Luigi Mangione and of the character Luigi, but if people just posted picture after picture of groups of teenagers, that would be a lot harder to effectively filter.

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          Text analysis of every single comment etc. Images are irrelevant if the rest reveals the context. Plus for meta data… The profiles that tech companies have of people, including assignment of devices with mac + IP. Very easy, especially with AI, and what a coincidence that everyone is planning such huge data centers just for AI… will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently. ( way more effizient as germany. )

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            will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently.

            Did you mean ethnic, or do you really think there is such a thing as ethical censorship?

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              I’m just talking about censorship, and I’m talking about ethical cleanup… it will be easy to group people into political thinking religion etc. The Republicans would love to see Democrats dead right now… Making the lists is no longer a job… Hitler would have been happy… So I see the Democrats in America already in mortal danger… All Trump would have to do is claim it would be good for the economy and the Republicans would swallow it.

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                How is that ethical though? Ethical is synonymous with moral.

                I can’t tell if I should assume you mean that or if I should assume you mean ‘ethnic’ like a racial group.

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                  Sarcasm? With Hitler it was also ethical cleaning too… although it was just mass murder… think about that instead.

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    lol in France we got the same but it’s basically just one guy who owns all the media.

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    Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump’s stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn’t to inform, it was to influence.

    When it’s about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it’s always various people who share their points of view and it’s more to inform than to dictate.

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      MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.

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    Removing billionaires is self defense, don’t let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It’s time to re-balance the scales.

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      Yeah, the existence of billionaires requires violence be perpetrated upon entire groups of people.

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      I mean. I would never do something like this. And I don’t condone it. But people are free to do with their lives what they want. We have guns to fight tyranny.