• HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Because most of us have our own problems and don't feel responsible for the lives of others.

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      1 year ago

      Now imagine if you lived in a society where someone gave a shit about your problems. And maybe they even have the skills and resources to fix them more efficiently than you would. Or not, does it matter, theyre willing to help.

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          It actually is. We all have problems. Humanity formed society to solve problems. Society has been hijacked (for a loooong time in many different ways) to extract value from others. Some people want to combat that.

          Some "have their own problems to deal with"

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      Who is "us"? Unless you're politically well connected or have nine figures in the bank, you aren't wielding significant power to make systemic changes.

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        1 year ago

        "Us" the people who pay taxes and are hypothetically responsible for paying for UBI.

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          Unless you're politically well connected or have nine figures in the bank, you aren't wielding significant power to make systemic changes.

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              You know that UBI is cheaper than policing the problems that runaway wealth disparity causes, right? UBI also means that employers cannot easily exploit workers with the threat of destitution, meaning that wages, including yours, go up. It also makes society more pleasant as people with prospects turn to drugs or crime less frequently.

              The only people UBI doesn't benefit, is the absurdly wealthy. Your myopic worldview has you voting against your own interests.

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                1 year ago

                No, I don't know any of that.

                Maybe you'd like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don't have to?

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                  Same reason people have hobbies… they like doing things.

                  What your concern really should be is, who would work for an asshole like you when they don't have to. The answer is they won't, get fucked.

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                    Same reason people have hobbies… they like doing things.

                    LOL your hobbies are not work…

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                  Maybe you’d like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don’t have to?

                  Two reasons:

                  1. UBI provides a baseline level of income to keep people out of poverty. But people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.
                  2. People, in general, are inherently motivated to create, and will do so without the threat of death on the streets. Meaning people will still voluntarily work, only they will do so on their terms.

                  But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.

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                    people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.

                    Doubt.

                    We need to decouple being able to live from employment.

                    Well it's a nice utopian thought but not realistic.