Finland ranked seventh in the world in OECD's student assessment chart in 2018, well above the UK and the United States, where there is a mix of private and state education

Finland ranked seventh in the world in OECD's student assessment chart in 2018, well above the UK and the United States, where there is a mix of private and state education

  • cricket97@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    1 year ago

    I'm not saying the public school system indiscriminately brings people down, but for the intellectual top 1% of kids it definitely can. stop thinking in absolutes. I think it's a good thing for smart kids to hang out with smart kids. Believe it or not, different degrees of intelligence require different needs to allow children to reach their full potential. I believe that private schools are great in making sure that potential is met. It's up to the schools themselves to allocate funding rather than a government bureaucracy, which is notoriously inefficient and frankly always will be, especially at scale. Advocate for improving funding to public schools so private schools would be unnecessary instead of making the choice on behalf of people.

    • someguy3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      for the intellectual top 1% of kids it definitely can.

      Really? Do I have to add caveats to everything I say? It's already long enough. But this is also about wayyyy more than the top 1% of kids, this is about everyone. You want a more capable society? That means everyone.

      I think it's a good thing for smart kids to hang out with smart kids.

      Again, advanced classes. This is so simple.

      Believe it or not, different degrees of intelligence require different needs

      Again, advanced classes.

      private schools are great in making sure that potential is met

      Again, advanced classes.

      And again, this means more students potential is reached. And that more students have the opportunity to become smart and educated from the very beginning. I notice you don't respond to any of that, you're back to acting like smart people just spring out of the blue to be whisked away to private schools. Think about how many people never intellectually developed in the first place because they never had good education to begin with. You want more smart people in society? The solution is public schools to develop those smart people.

      government bureaucracy, which is notoriously inefficient and frankly always will be, especially at scale.

      And now you define public schools as inefficient and all those connotations. Just like how you defined things before.

      Seriously, it seems you can not even conceive of good public schools that yes serve and educate top students well (but again these students don't just pop up out if the blue, they are educated from the very start).

      • cricket97@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        1 year ago

        But this is also about wayyyy more than the top 1% of kids, this is about everyone. You want a more capable society? That means everyone.

        Hmms seems like you are implying here that it does actually bring those 1% of kids down for the betterment of the rest. I thought it wouldn't bring kids down?

        It's a simple difference of opinions. I believe that private schools are better empowered to allocate resources to produce the best result since it bypasses government bureaucracy. That's it. Acting like "advanced classes" is some sort of own that defeats the purpose of private schools is a cop out frankly.

        You want more smart people in society? The solution is public schools to develop those smart people.

        This can happen without making private schools illegal.

        • someguy3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Hmms seems like you are implying here that it does actually bring those 1% of kids down for the betterment of the rest. I thought it wouldn't bring kids down?

          Lol no I didn't imply that. See that "also"?Now you're making things up. I thought you were better than this.

          Because this is also about all of society (see that also?) But I see your game now. You have to try to limit this to top 1%. It's a fake construct on my argument that you have to limit things to. I wonder if you're going to strawman this now.

          It's a simple difference of opinions

          I think the basis of this is that you can not even conceive of public schools that serve both top students and students well. (Insert all the words: also, in addition, etc),

          Acting like "advanced classes" is some sort of own that defeats the purpose of private schools is a cop out frankly.

          Lol that addresses your arguments where I said it. You want top students to hang out together? They do, in advanced classes.

          You want their needs to be met? They are, in advanced classes.

          Etc.

          And all the other factors that you never respond to, like availability, travel time, wait lists, that smart people don't spring out of the blue to be whisked away to private schools and that they are developed and educated from the start.

          This can happen without making private schools illegal.

          Like I already said, when rich and upper class don't use the public system there is zero incentive to make it work well.

          Really, you can't even conceive of a public system that works well for top and also (see that also?) students.

          Yeah I see your other game too, you want me to excessively add caveats to everything I say now. The first time may have been legit, but now you read implications that aren't there just so I have to add more caveats. Nice games. But I think that shows you've graduated to bad faith and I'm just pointing out what I've already said because it addresses it all, so I think I'm done. Cheers.