A British citizen is among dozens of festival attendees who are missing, kidnapped or presumed dead

The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

  • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    611·
    1 year ago

    When do you start the timeline though? The Palestine / Israel conflict has been going for 100 years right? Are you comfy saying Israel is the original aggressor?

    Full disclosure: I dislike all fundamentalist religious societies. I don't believe in holy land, and I think people on both sides are reaping what they've sown by insisting they are gods chosen people. So I'm not defending Israel, but I'm not defending Palestine (and especially Hamas) either.

          • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            13·
            1 year ago

            Sorry its just so rare to find someone who completely understands every aspect of a 100 year war and has all the answers.

            So nothing that happened pre-Nakba matters, Amin al-Husseini and the attacks in the 1920's don't count because reasons?

              • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                13·
                1 year ago

                Lol all my comments make it clear I hate zionists. Fuck zionists.

                So you admit there's no single starting point for the conflict if pre-nakba events are taken into account, you just like to make an incredibly complex issue black and white to make yourself feel smart then? Its fine for Palestinian nationalists to take actions to expel jews from the region that became Israel, but because Israel formed a state to defend itself, they are in the wrong?

                If neither side were fundamentalist shit heads trying to destroy their neighbors way of life, they wouldn't have these problems. When Arabs were the majority with the power the killed and drove the jews out in the name of nationalism, now the Israelis do the same

                And both groups disgust me, and would hurt and destroy my way of life if they had the power to do so. If pslestinian Arabs wanted to use the dhemmi system when they had power, what right do they have to insist equal treatment now? Bunch of hypocrites

                The world would be better off if Jerusalem were wiped off the planet. Then no one gets it. Problem solved.

                  • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    13·
                    1 year ago

                    You can fuck off first, no one is forcing you to talk to me.

                    So pre-Nakba counts, but also doesn't count.

                    Israel is to blame because they formed a state, which 'set the stage' for these events, and made them 'colonizers', but violence against jews pre-Israel was fine because they didn't have a state so that violence was in the name of nationalism, not colonizing, so its ok violence

                    I have a 'hateful little brain' for bringing up events that happened in the time of 'great-great-grandparents', but Palestinians are justified in hanging on to land ownership rights from the times of their great-great-grandparents.

                    I'm a 'hateful atheist' for pointing out that people who identify as fundamentalist followers of violent ideologies are statistically more likely to kill not only each other, but secular people like me. I should do my best to elevate these people so they can have the opportunity to force their religion and culture on me next. (Real paradox of tolerance test there - also, did you read this as applying to only Palestinians who support Hamas? it also applies to Israelis who are zionist. )

                    I get that Israel is kicking the shit out of Gaza recently. I think you get that if Palestine had all the power, they'd be kicking the shit out of Israel. Its just that you think that would be justified because you're a racist/bigot/insert one of your insults here.

                    I also get that Israel is shitty for killing kids in Gaza. Thats why fuck zionists / fuck Israel - they got the land they wanted, and they wouldn't stop.

                    Religious bullshit never stops.