• rodolfo@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    you make everything look simple. I’m slightly fascinated. then I get back into reality and I remember there’s a cruel, blind war, and huge interests and plans going far over the borders of Isreal and Gaza.

    the spiraling hate between parts? ah! silly them! “why they don’t just…”

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      1 year ago

      It’s not simple. But it does demonstrate hamas is lying about their willingness to release two hostages no strings attached.

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        1 year ago

        again you’re oversimplifying things, with these black and white statements. extremely dangerous, extremely…

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          1 year ago

          How are they not lying? If they want to release two hostages they have a variety of options that don’t involve Israel. They could drop them off at the Egyptian border, they could drop them off at the Red Cross, they could drop them off at any of the UN compounds.

          They’re unwillingness to release two hostages is completely on them. For them to try to blame Israel is disingenuous, and clearly a lie.

          But I’m open to being wrong, how is Hamas prevented from releasing two hostages right now? What prevents them from dropping them off at the Red Cross or any of the UN compounds right now today?

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              That site blocks my country. So I can’t read the article.

              But yes everything in Gaza has danger. But they could publicize the fact that they’re dropping off at the Red Cross, post a video, live stream it, whatever. It would show the willing and it’s not dependent on Israel

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                That site blocks my country. So I can’t read the article.

                Here’s the first 2 sentences.

                The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) confirmed Wednesday that five staffers were killed in armed hostilities in Israel and the Gaza Strip.

                “Today, in two different incidents, ambulances were hit killing four Palestine Red Crescent paramedics who were helping those in need,” IFRC said in a statement.

                I understand it’s not the whole article but please try to extrapolate with the information given

                Edit: Or like… you could def read enough from that URL that you could google it yourself if you actually cared…

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                  1 year ago

                  Yes. I agree. It’s a war crime. It’s terrible. But it has nothing to do with Hamas releasing hostages. They could release them to the UN, or the Red Cross. The incumbent danger of the war zone doesn’t change. They could get the credit for releasing the hostages even if a bombing later destroys the Red Cross building.

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                    1 year ago

                    They could get the credit for releasing the hostages even if a bombing later destroys the Red Cross building.

                    You’re not giving an honest answer. How can you release a hostage to somewhere that isn’t safe? Why not just release them inside Gaza 2 minutes from the building where their being held? What if they get attacked on the way to release the hostage?

                    Your answer is cute and works for middle school dodgeball but doesn’t work in a world where governments actively engage in disinformation campaigns

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                    1 year ago

                    Yes. I agree. It’s a war crime. It’s terrible. But it has nothing to do with Hamas releasing hostages.

                    What purpose does it serve to ignore all context around Hamas and the hostages, and focus only on them?

                    People on this thread have recounted so many examples to you.

                    Red Cross staff are bombed and killed. Ambulances are unsafe. The Rafah crosspoint is unsafe. Even if Hamas hands them over to the Red Cross or to anyone there is a big chance they will be killed by Israel “by mistake”. It’s Israel’s own citizens, plus the internationals, which it’s swearing to protect and bring back safe and yet they don’t even want to open any kind of channel to negotiate with Hamas.

                    Yes, Hamas is wrong to take non-military hostages, but none of that absolves Israel from its behavior.

                    So to reiterate

                    But it has nothing to do with Hamas releasing hostages.

                    It has a lot to do with Israel.

                    They could release them to the UN, or the Red Cross.

                    You can see numerous examples of why this is a bad idea and not easily done.

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            1 year ago

            I think that trying to rationalize the behavior of two xenophobic, nationalist, religious fundamentalist far right parties it’s just a sterile exercise, often practiced (can’t rightly say if that’s your will, too) to leave out of the discourse one of these two parties, to implicitly side with one of them. that’s all I have to say. have a good day

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              Have a good day.

              I think we’ve demonstrated conclusively hamas’s lying at least about this.

              Israel’s lying about many things as well, but that’s not what the articles about.

              I welcome you to show me where my logic is incorrect any time in the future when you have the bandwidth.