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As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.
Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.
Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
For me it’s that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.
Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn’t really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn’t work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.
MS office isn’t great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that’s forever stuck in the 90s?!)
Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue
The one that got me recently when I tried Linux was mouse software. I couldn’t configure my mouse buttons even close to what I have on Windows (couldn’t use modifiers like shift or control on one mouse, to start), and it just felt bad.
I feel like GIMP was a depraved person’s creative exercise in designing a UI and workflow as fucking shit as humanly possible and then leaving it like that for a couple of decades while continuing to develop the program.
But in reality I know it’s probably due to the complexities of maintaining such an old project with limited resources and volunteers and I’m grateful something like it even exists.
Masking is not nearly as easy to apply. It’s very quick to get smooth edges in your mask in Photoshop.
Photoshop now has a built in AI (Beta Version) to generate backgrounds or add things to your image.
In GIMP, you can only use one artboard (canvas) at a time. Photoshop can have multiple within one file
Photoshop can link directly to illustrator and can handle vectors, not just rasterized images.
Most of the scaling and filtering tools just tend to work better in Photoshop. Also The “Object Selection” tool in Photoshop is amazing. This doesn’t exist in GIMP.
Smart objects are nice too (Photoshop only) - makes it so you can edit one object and change it across multiple artboards + other functionality.
And one of my biggest issues, GIMP can’t edit pictures in CMYK - it’s a big work around just to try and export your sRGB image to CMYK in GIMP, but your colors will change.
Literally the only thing I like GIMP over Photoshop for is that it’s easier to add gradients with a transparency
Edit:
Oh and gimp is good at changing specific color hues quickly. But that’s all I’ve found
If you get the heroic launcher, you can install proton or proton GE and use them on Epic Games or GOG games. I’m pretty sure there is a way of doing it without a launcher but it is less user friendly. I also prefer Heroic to Lutris.
if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
17℅ advantage? Daaamn hope these aren’t anomalies, because like 2 years ago Wine performance only lagged behind like 5℅, and this sounds too good to be true for me.
Its a combination of Vulkan and Valve paying devs to work on Proton.
Vulkan is a fantastic Graphics API. Vulkan is more optimized than DirectX, and it’s so much better than DirectX that the DXVK (DirectX to Vulkan) Wrapper that Proton implements makes games run better, despite the fact it’s running through an obfuscation.
I have no allegiance to either, the second Linux is consistently beating Windows and compatible with 95%ish of new releases I’m in. Steam Deck proved that it is a matter of time I think, thank you Valve 🙏
Sure, in an ideal world I’d be rocking 4k and max settings, but I just want to play the games. I’ve been so tied up for the last 8 years that I have a wonderful back catalog of games to play. I’m currently playing RDR2 and holy shit it might be the greatest game ever made.
I dock it for older games that I need keyboard and mouse to play.
nobody is jumping to Linux except developers and Linux users. ive used it every day for 20 years. it departments aren’t putting it on employee machines. your mom isn’t going to install it on her laptop that she uses to do her taxes and play the sims 3. it’s not ever going to happen because Linux isn’t software that’s meant to do that.
you’re not only naive if you think “the year of the linux desktop” is a real thing, you’re illogical and you’re probably an idiot. it doesn’t even make sense. reddit is so full of toilet optimism that it has no idea what’s going on.
You haven’t been paying attention. Literally the best selling item on Steam for nearly a year and a half was a Linux Gaming PC.
Linux is far more flexible than Windows. The nature of open source is what enables such flexibility. The only reason Linux hasn’t been adopted by many is simply because of the chicken and egg issue.
Microsoft and Apple had made a monopoly on the market for desktop computers, And since the desktop market share was so low for linux, few devs developed desktop software for Linux. Which then in turn kept Linux from gaining marketshare.
But the times are changing. Wine, Proton, Lutris and Multi-Platform web app tools have lead to a world where devs can simply just mindlessly go “oh yeah I guess we can enable linux builds/proton supported builds.” and just forget about it.
For example, lets say it was 2006 and Discord was just released in that time period. Instead of being a web app, they built a client that communicated using an API for Discord. Well, more than likely that official client was Windows and maybe MacOS exclusive. They built it from the ground up, and sure it has an API and sure a linux client may exist. But it would never be 1:1 with the official client.
This was the most likely thing to happen, and theres no way you can convince grandma to try Linux when all of her basic apps don’t work anymore.
Fast forward to 2023. Unless Grandma is using Adobe software, Linux will work fine. Chromebooks sold well for basic users afterall.
Oh yeah, you’re right there! I haven’t had the funds to get a home VR setup yet, so I was pleasantly surprised all my games actually run BETTER after I made the switch.
I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
No. Stop.
This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.
As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.
Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.
Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
For me it’s that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.
Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn’t really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn’t work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.
MS office isn’t great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that’s forever stuck in the 90s?!)
Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue
The one that got me recently when I tried Linux was mouse software. I couldn’t configure my mouse buttons even close to what I have on Windows (couldn’t use modifiers like shift or control on one mouse, to start), and it just felt bad.
What mouse? Logitech and Razer have alternative control panels for Linux that should allow this.
Try Krita. It’s pretty similar to photoshop. A few creature comforts will be lost, but not too many substantial things.
However, if you really use the curved text feature of photoshop a lot, you may miss that.
Oh nice, thanks for the suggestion I’ll try it out. I don’t use the curved text in photoshop, that’s usually done in illustrator in my workflow
Interesting take. How does GIMP not compare to Photoshop?
gimp is like Photoshop 3.0 or something it’s a piece of shit it’s super old and it sucks
I feel like GIMP was a depraved person’s creative exercise in designing a UI and workflow as fucking shit as humanly possible and then leaving it like that for a couple of decades while continuing to develop the program.
But in reality I know it’s probably due to the complexities of maintaining such an old project with limited resources and volunteers and I’m grateful something like it even exists.
it’s just a clone of a very old version of Photoshop that’s all
Masking is not nearly as easy to apply. It’s very quick to get smooth edges in your mask in Photoshop.
Photoshop now has a built in AI (Beta Version) to generate backgrounds or add things to your image.
In GIMP, you can only use one artboard (canvas) at a time. Photoshop can have multiple within one file
Photoshop can link directly to illustrator and can handle vectors, not just rasterized images.
Most of the scaling and filtering tools just tend to work better in Photoshop. Also The “Object Selection” tool in Photoshop is amazing. This doesn’t exist in GIMP.
Smart objects are nice too (Photoshop only) - makes it so you can edit one object and change it across multiple artboards + other functionality.
And one of my biggest issues, GIMP can’t edit pictures in CMYK - it’s a big work around just to try and export your sRGB image to CMYK in GIMP, but your colors will change.
Literally the only thing I like GIMP over Photoshop for is that it’s easier to add gradients with a transparency
Edit:
Oh and gimp is good at changing specific color hues quickly. But that’s all I’ve found
Isn’t proton mainly a steam thing?
Because honestly, the reason I’m not jumping to linux, is all the heavily modded GOG stuff and nexus mod manager.
That and bad experiences in the past.
If you get the heroic launcher, you can install proton or proton GE and use them on Epic Games or GOG games. I’m pretty sure there is a way of doing it without a launcher but it is less user friendly. I also prefer Heroic to Lutris.
So never.
Valve may be single handily driving better Linux adoption rates with Steam deck.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/linux-surpasses-the-mac-among-steam-gamers/
And performance on Linux is outpacing Windows
https://video.hardlimit.com/w/uZGK12oU5FeSsy8CDLP4hD
17℅ advantage? Daaamn hope these aren’t anomalies, because like 2 years ago Wine performance only lagged behind like 5℅, and this sounds too good to be true for me.
I believe the biggest factor is Linux’s better resource management.
Its a combination of Vulkan and Valve paying devs to work on Proton.
Vulkan is a fantastic Graphics API. Vulkan is more optimized than DirectX, and it’s so much better than DirectX that the DXVK (DirectX to Vulkan) Wrapper that Proton implements makes games run better, despite the fact it’s running through an obfuscation.
You somehow used the care/of symbol (℅) instead of percent (%). Impressive!
I have no allegiance to either, the second Linux is consistently beating Windows and compatible with 95%ish of new releases I’m in. Steam Deck proved that it is a matter of time I think, thank you Valve 🙏
I literally game on nothing else right now.
Sure, in an ideal world I’d be rocking 4k and max settings, but I just want to play the games. I’ve been so tied up for the last 8 years that I have a wonderful back catalog of games to play. I’m currently playing RDR2 and holy shit it might be the greatest game ever made.
I dock it for older games that I need keyboard and mouse to play.
Sounds like I’ll probably be ok then. I wait years to buy games on sale.
nobody is jumping to Linux except developers and Linux users. ive used it every day for 20 years. it departments aren’t putting it on employee machines. your mom isn’t going to install it on her laptop that she uses to do her taxes and play the sims 3. it’s not ever going to happen because Linux isn’t software that’s meant to do that.
you’re not only naive if you think “the year of the linux desktop” is a real thing, you’re illogical and you’re probably an idiot. it doesn’t even make sense. reddit is so full of toilet optimism that it has no idea what’s going on.
You haven’t been paying attention. Literally the best selling item on Steam for nearly a year and a half was a Linux Gaming PC.
Linux is far more flexible than Windows. The nature of open source is what enables such flexibility. The only reason Linux hasn’t been adopted by many is simply because of the chicken and egg issue.
Microsoft and Apple had made a monopoly on the market for desktop computers, And since the desktop market share was so low for linux, few devs developed desktop software for Linux. Which then in turn kept Linux from gaining marketshare.
But the times are changing. Wine, Proton, Lutris and Multi-Platform web app tools have lead to a world where devs can simply just mindlessly go “oh yeah I guess we can enable linux builds/proton supported builds.” and just forget about it.
For example, lets say it was 2006 and Discord was just released in that time period. Instead of being a web app, they built a client that communicated using an API for Discord. Well, more than likely that official client was Windows and maybe MacOS exclusive. They built it from the ground up, and sure it has an API and sure a linux client may exist. But it would never be 1:1 with the official client.
This was the most likely thing to happen, and theres no way you can convince grandma to try Linux when all of her basic apps don’t work anymore.
Fast forward to 2023. Unless Grandma is using Adobe software, Linux will work fine. Chromebooks sold well for basic users afterall.
Are you kidding? I made the jump a month ago and get better performance across the board gaming with proton/lutris than I did with windows.
It’s not about performance but compatibility. Such as certain anti-cheat software in online games.
Some things just aren’t good enough yet.
Like VR compatibility and performance, particularly with nvidia and quest headsets.
Otherwise yeah, 99% of my games would run perfectly fine.
Oh yeah, you’re right there! I haven’t had the funds to get a home VR setup yet, so I was pleasantly surprised all my games actually run BETTER after I made the switch.
I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
Yeah but i still need something windows to stick in my vm.
you’re a toxic optimist beyond saving if you think any of this
I’m no fool. I know Linux isn’t going to hit 100% desktop marketshare the instant windows 10 goes EOL.
But I do know many people who are willing to make the switch rather than to go to Windows 11.
Windows has been bleeding desktop marketshare for years. They are at a far cry from their 80% of the early 2000s.
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