Welp, good thing I’m voting third party again. Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich doesn’t need my help.
Third party is typically a vote for Republicans. I’m not sure why democrats never seem to put up a plant 3rd party. Just get some Uber Ultra Instinct racist and that peel of at least 10% of the Trump voters.
That’s your narrative, sure. I won’t support a two-party system that produces such TERRIBLE candidates anymore.
The two party system exists whether you support it or not and voting third party doesn’t help remove it.
It gets a third or fourth party government funding. That’s more important than anything to me currently. We need more choices.
Getting a third party is more important than…
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…preventing an overt fascist and his sycophantic supporters and enablers from winning the next election, further dismantling (small-d) democratic institutions in our country, and likely attempting to turn the country into a weird hybrid of a kleptocratic monarchy and an extremely nepotistic aristocracy?
That is a choice to support the only insurrectionist in the race, which is probably the point of your comment to begin with.
I have a truly earnest question: do you think the trolley problem has an obviously correct answer?
I see so many people who are just flabbergasted (or unwilling to believe, as above) that people can see that trump is worse, but still not want to vote for Biden.
Nobody asked you to want to vote for him, but if you truly believe Trump is worse, you have to do it anyway if you care about what happens next to your country.
That’s exactly the attitude I’m talking about. Do you think the trolley problem has a right answer?
The other wrinkle is that voting for Biden shows no difference between full support and holding your nose to save democracy, so if I vote for the democrats every time, they’ll just put worse and worse candidates up. The republicans are already doing that, so every election from now on will be the pivotal one to “save democracy” (while the democrats ignore the wants of their party members in primaries).
I will do evil no matter how I vote.
I know which of these two candidates is less evil, but that doesn’t mean it’s the obvious best choice. Perhaps voting for a third party is, especially for my completely meaningless vote (CT). I don’t know yet, I need to think, and being constantly berated or called a trump supporter is really fucking annoying. It’s not going to make me vote trump (that one’s certain, at least), but it’s making it harder to neutrally evaluate the situation, because discussing it with people is fruitless.
The lack of nuance here has been a little shocking. I had hope that was just a Reddit thing, but it may just be an Internet thing. I have no idea.
I’m not ever going to vote for Trump, because he’s terrible. And I’m not ever going to vote for Biden, because he may be less terrible, but he’s still terrible.
I may one day vote Dem or Rep again, if either of those parties ever pulls their heads from their asses and produces a quality candidate.
Until then, I’m voting third party. If you can’t produce quality, I’ll find it elsewhere.
You’re absolutely right that there’s a lot of nuance here. People living in red, blue, and purple states each have a different calculus involved, and it’s not simple. If it were, the polls would be much more in favor of Biden, because even among republicans, fewer and fewer people support trump.
If Biden cut military ties with Israel or did something to stop or hinder them from continuing to commit genocide, I would probably vote for him. I don’t really like him, even with that taken out, but I would feel like my vote there would reinforce something I want to reinforce in democrats. As it is, I still don’t know.
Don’t vote third party in the general. You know exactly who that helps.
