• orcrist@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Wait a second. You could have been blaming the Republican voters, because they actually voted for the guy. You could have been blaming the Democrats for not fielding better candidates. Instead you’re blaming that small minority of people who thinks that both parties suck and neither of them is going to fix the major problems facing the United States. And all the while, Democrat candidates know exactly how to get more progressive votes: push progressive policies.

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      8 months ago

      Wait a second. You could have been blaming the Republican voters, because they actually voted for the guy.

      In this particular forum there aren’t too many Republicans but plenty of people that think voting third party will accomplish something. It won’t because that’s not how the system works. You want to change the system, you say? You aren’t going to succeed in changing a system you don’t know anything about.

      And all the while, Democrat candidates know exactly how to get more progressive votes: push progressive policies.

      This is exactly what’s happening. But too many people have been sucked into TikTok rabbit holes to know that’s happening. The small amount of progressive changes that they’ve had to claw and scratch to get could be drowned in the bathtub because some people would rather be self-righteous over Joe Biden not screaming “GENOCIDE” a thousand times at Netanyahu as an opening statement before trying to hammer out a ceasefire agreement with him that will save lives.

      Voting third party is doing nothing. Evil prevails when good people do nothing.

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        8 months ago

        Did I say I want to change the system? … Oh, yeah, I didn’t. That’s awkward, isn’t it. Please be careful when going into attack mode.

        Also, voting third party is clearly doing something. Staying home is doing something. Trying to help people on the Internet understand various political stances is doing something.

        There are a million approaches to politics. Why are you so convinced that yours is the one correct option?

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          8 months ago

          Also, voting third party is clearly doing something. Staying home is doing something. Trying to help people on the Internet understand various political stances is doing something.

          What positive change will come from these “actions”?

          Nothing. You’re doing nothing.

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            7 months ago

            Maybe “nothing” doesn’t mean what you think it means.

            If I vote Democrat in a clear-cut red state, my vote changes nothing. Same as if I vote third party. Same as if I don’t vote at all. So … I’m doing nothing no matter what. Is that your standard?

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              7 months ago

              Are you in a clear cut red state? Also is your congressional district definitely going red as well? You understand that the President isn’t a dictator, and there is a need for changes in legislation which is what congress does?

              Even the GOP isn’t immune to voter margins. If the see that margin in their safe red states are starting to narrow, they may have decide whether they want to continue being fascist and face losing everything or maybe make some compromises to continue getting elected.

              I minority of eligible voters wanted abortion to be illegal. They got what they wanted despite being the minority because they voted every time for decades. By not voting you’re conceding all power to those that do. Are you happy with how things are being run by the people that are put into power by this minority of eligible voters that show up and vote every time? Is so, continue to blow off voting. But you can’t complain about the results if you concede your rights to whims of people that will make the effort to vote.

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                7 months ago

                Yes my state is red and has been for decades, for Congress and the White House.

                Yes, I can complain with results even if I don’t vote. The First Amendment makes that crystal clear. Who told you otherwise?

                In fact I often vote, and it affects nothing. Not once has my vote affected state or national government. A few times it mattered in local elections. So is it worth my time? I don’t suppose it matters much, but it’s a quick enough process.