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  • Zeth0s@lemmy.world
    11·
    11 months ago

    Yes, western and east Europe are very well defined actually. There was a popular wall back in the days in Berlin to clearly symbolize the division.

    Italy is west Europe, and it has never been “eastern” (while history of places like Greece is less well defined). It had the capital of western Europe at the time of the late roman empire, when the first big separation between west and east Europe happened

    • jochem@lemmy.ml
      4·
      11 months ago

      I (and many people around me) group Italy under southern Europe. Just like Spain, Portugal and Greece.

      Western Europe for me is roughly France, Benelux, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Northern Europe is Scandinavia and Finland.

      I’m sure others have a different view on this.

      • NewNewAccount@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        As an American I would consider all of what you classified as “Southern Europe” as “Western Europe”.

        In fact, we would only divide Europe into only two primary regions; Eastern and Western (which generally includes both Scandinavia and the Mediterranean west of Turkey).

        The division is primarily political/historical/cultural, with geography being secondary.

      • Zeth0s@lemmy.world
        21·
        11 months ago

        Where are you from, out of curiosity?

        Spain and Portugal are definitely western than all countries you listed.

        Italy is as west as Germany if you check the maps.

        Italy and Spain are both south Europe and western Europe.

        Western and eastern Europe is a division with ancient roots that goes back to roman empire.

        South and north is more geographical to separate “latin” countries from Nordic countries.

        France is actually borderline, half southern, half central.

        Germany, Austria, switzerland are usually referred as central Europe

        • jochem@lemmy.ml
          21·
          11 months ago

          The Netherlands.

          I see it more as a political and economic devide, hence grouping the German speaking countries also with the western countries.

          Southern countries are seen as having a poorer economy, hence not being part of the western countries. The northern ones could be part of the western group, but for some reason they also don’t mind being their own corner.

          • Zeth0s@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            Spain is western than the Netherlands… Those are bs media definitions just to create some sensational news and nationalist politics. In all this bs definitions, for instance, uk is not even “western Europe”, because they are just the exceptional empire.

            Each country has similar stuff that doesn’t makes sense.

            Western Europe at the center of europe, while real west Europe (Portugal, Spain, France and uk) are not western, but central europe is west… Just because historically “west” sounds rich and civilized, since western roman empire.

            It is a definition for poor journalism and political rhetoric.