• CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml
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    Tell me this, does this supposed “socialist system” have workers owning the means of production? How are factory conditions again? Hell you can’t even particularly call them a social democracy, they don’t have complete universal healthcare like Europe yet, and they have less than half the paid leave! Socialist system with billionaires, LMFAO (I don’t care if the rules are stricter and they’re held more accountable, the fact they exist in the first place is pure capitalism).

    And I’m calling them fascist because of how they treat political dissidents and minorities.

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      And I’m calling them fascist because of how they treat political dissidents and minorities.

      “In my true socialist state, Qigong cults can operate with impunity as they scam people and push racist cosmological myths”

      And for the second part you’re just drinking neoliberal koolaid published by the people who are the most prolific killers of racial others in human history.

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      You’ve got nothing here dude, take the L. You’re clearly ignorant of what AES actually looks like historically, how it’s formed, how it responds to pressures and challenges. You’re just going by this vague, largely aesthetic conception of what socialism looks like, that you probably got from some youtuber that call themself a libertarian socialist or some other such incoherent shit, and you’re castigating a real socialist governmemt attempting to reckon with the real world because they haven’t waved a magic wand and enacted your asinine Disneyland version of socialism.

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        AES

        Cringe.

        The CCP absolutely has the power to redistribute wealth from billionaires… except the CCP is full of rich oligarchs themselves that are only occasionally purged, so that’s not gonna happen.

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      In contrast to many others coming over from my instance, I’d say the outright “support” of the PRC is not really my thing, to say the least. My comrades won’t admit this directly, but a lot of that energy is indeed contrarian-posting for funsies, although several are genuine.

      That said, it is incredibly important to carefully analyze the country as a socialist, because for a minute there they were successful in overthrowing capitalism (kinda what we all want)!

      Many good and bad things have happened since then under the leadership of the Communist Party. We should carefully analyze these decisions, particularly after analyzing the historical context in which they occurred. We also need to critically evaluate our sources of information, since I hope that we can acknowledge that Western powers have a vested interest in seeing the continuation of the capitalist system. If most of your sources are in English, they will generally be heavily slanted against the anti-capitalist movements.

      I think that your way of calling the country “fascist” exposes that your analysis is incomplete. The Chinese government is, in fact, flawed, but why? Fascism means something very specific, and the flaws in the PRC are not the same as what you see in 1930s Italy and Germany. The historical contexts, and economic structures under which they operate are very different.

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      You ever notice how America seems unable to meaningfully damage China’s economy?

      This is because China’s economy is integral to everyone else’s. You can’t really hurt China without hurting yourself. Their annual trade volume is in the trillions of dollars.

      China paid a price for this leverage. The price was allowing capitalists to operate within China. That is how you do business with the rest of the capitalist world.