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“ChatGPT, how do I use a Java SQL connector?”
“Duplicate question, closed”
Are we sure this deal is about answering new SO questions with LLM? It’s more likely to be a deal where SO sells access to its database to OpenAI so they can use human-generated content for LLM training, and SO gets to use LLM as a more efficient search through its human-generated content.
It’s possible they could also choose to delegate the duplicate decision to the LLM but let’s be honest, that decision is currently crap anyway.
I think the joke is that the AI trained on SO data to the point that duplicate, similar, or common questions would get this treatment. Since that’s common enough on SO to be a meme.
Yeah, that was my assumption as well. I wonder how they’re going to work around that SO is getting spammed with AI-generated answers, though. You really don’t want your LLM cannibalizing itself.
That’s SO’s problem going forward. OpenAI already got what they wanted – legal access to SO’s database up to this moment, when it’s still mostly human.
I didn’t say this was a good deal for SO.
Okay, but on current hardware/OS the previous solution is no longer valid… Hello?!
Have you tried using Windows 11 instead of your weird Linux distro? Windows 11 is the best Operation system in the market, by the greatest software company Microsoft. It features the best user experience, not only removing all those complicated settings from your grasp but providing you with suggestions tailored just for you!
…Did you just speculated a terrifyingly credible AI-generated Microsoft ad disguised as genuine tech support?
Confusing realization here
Isn’t that like an AI ad about AI and ads?
I think it is important to value and respect everyone’s OS choices. I have made great experiences with using the latest AI tools that OpenAI and Microsoft provided and continue to improve every day. I can understand that people might be skeptical of AI at first, because it is a new and complicated technology. Windows 11 shows that you don’t need to understand every detail about it. You can use AI to make your life easier by just talking to it like it is your best friend. Using a computer never has been easier.
Upvoted & i want to end my life now
What annoys me about companies like StackOverflow, Reddit, Twitter, etc. partnering with AI firms is that they do not actually create any of the content on their platforms. Sure, if you read the terms they technically own the data, but still…
Just more nonsense showing how broken modern copyright is. It’s too hard to write weasely legalese to just say you have the right to reproduce content submitted to your website, you have to own it entirely. And if you own it, why not sell it?
It’s not difficult at all, these companies just have no reason to do it that way. They force you to agree to their terms before you can use the website at all, which means they’re in a much better position to make demands. We can’t counter with anything, it’s just “agree that we own this copy of your content”.
And most of us agree to it because we have no way of knowing that someday our content might actually be worth something.
I don’t think it’s broken. I’m pretty sure it’s working as intended. In the early days of the colonisation of the web capitalists made it already pretty clear how property laws will be applied there.
That’s basically what most tech companies are trying to optimize these days, the ability to make money off of other people’s work. It’s why they’re so hyped about trying to use AI to replace the very workers it’s trained on.
Most of modern civilization wasn’t built by the current S&P500 — most of them didn’t exist 50 years ago, let alone 100 — it was built by humanity, collectively, over thousands of years.
That fact won’t stop any individual or corporation from trying to claim absolute dominion over the entire human population, all derivative works and resources, or the rest of our descendants futures, for all eternity.
The goal of every thief is to take something of value from someone else without any repercussions for themselves.
Can’t wait to get insulted by the AI for asking a “stupid” question and be told the answer has already been asked without a link but with a passive aggressive tone hinting my family tree might have been close knit akin to a thumbleweed.
Or being to to google the problem with the only result being the question you just asked.
We will fondly look back on the days of finding highly specific dead forum threads that are a decade or more old about the issue we were having.
And a reply post saying
nvm figured it out
with no additional details
DUPLICATE COMMENT
Yeah but a lot of people don’t really know what SO is for. They think you just go there and get help and call it a day. But the entire point is to produce structured questions, discourse, and answers aimed at future readers. Super specific, no-context, or duplicate problems are not useful. If you are not trying to generate useful content, don’t go to SO.
Just look at all the people getting frustrated at being told “you should probably do it a different way.” They really don’t understand that just because they’re asking the question, it’s not all about them.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying it’s not the friendliest way to enthuse beginners to this way of working.
I get it’s frustrating, but when you’re asking your first question ever, it feels like paying for everyone else. xD
The idea of SO is a little awkward too I think. With something like Wikipedia we’re presumably in an academic mindset. Carefully gathering information, sources, structuring it all. And even then people can get turned off by the ‘bureaucracy’ or nitpicking or whatever.
When people show up at SO they’re probably more in a “I can’t figure this damn thing out!” mode. We’re struggling with a problem, keeping a bunch of junk in our head, patience being tested, but we’re still expected to have a bit of academic rigor in our question and discourse.
I don’t think it’s awkward, it’s kinda necessary.
Because the people who are answering questions there are doing it for that ideal of having a knowledge repository. No one is helping you because they think you and your specific problem are so important to demand their time. Especially with very tricky errors.
Not SO or it’s methods, I mean the human experience. It can be awkward to be new to it all and to feel the frustration/tunnel vision associated with being stuck on one problem… and then step back and have to dissect your issue, structure your question correctly, etc.
It’s just how it is, for exactly the reasons you stated. You can capture every little problem people face in programming, or you can hone in on useful patterns in goals, problems, and solutions, and educate people on how to see these things.
Yeah maybe SO should have this kind of warning when you’re writing your problem or question, or maybe it does already (it’s been a long time I posted a question myself).
In any case, it is an interesting case about a tricky social problem to solve. I used to listen to the SO podcast many years ago, and they always had multiple problems to deal with. One of them was to show the experts good questions, because beginner questions really turn off the experienced people and too much of that would drive them off the website, and at the same time beginners don’t have the habit of searching duplicates etc. so it’s common to spam the website with duplicate.
At some point they also restricted questions about opinions, because they lead to never ending threads with no objective answers. I’m sure they had a reason for that based on SO history, so the baggage if restrictions start increasing for newcomers to understand the rules. It’s tricky to balance the needs of power users and casual users because they’re often conflicting.
Just look at all the people getting frustrated at being told “you should probably do it a different way.” They really don’t understand that just because they’re asking the question, it’s not all about them.
I don’t agree. I remember having a problem (something with PDF and JS if I remember correctly) and I had some restrictions (no I could not do anything about those restrictions). Someone on SO had asked my question with somewhat the same restrictions, which boiled downed to no being able to utilize the most common solution. The first answer on SO was to use the solution that specifically could not be used.
I can see your point and I actually somewhat agree but when the answers are “do X” to the question “how do I do this when I cannot do X?”, the audience should be the minority going there because they have a niece problem, not the majority that are lead there by search engines. And all the “do X” answers should be removed, or moved somewhere they are relevant.
Now they partner with OpenAI after banning AI answers provided by users? Wow, such hypocrisy https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/policy-generative-ai-e-g-chatgpt-is-banned
Now they’re getting paid, so fuck you!
That exactly tracks. You can’t feed answers from an AI into an AI. It gets all incesty (technical term). So they have to ban user submitted AI answers.
Yet use AI (possibly) to determine users’ AI answers.
My new anti AI-detection AI is designed to write in ways not detectable by current AI-detection AI.
It gets all incesty (technical term)
I, too, am very technically specific about the porn I watch
Were they trying to avoid having AI produced output sold as LLM input along with their human user generated content? I wonder if this was some big picture decision or pure coincidence.
Banning AI answers was reasonable though. People were posting were too many not verified and incorrect code snippets that entire quality of the platform would decrease. AI still makes more mistakes than humans that provide responses on stack.
Chatgpt: How do I kill all the children in this thread?
As a AI model I’m not allowed to promote violence against… Also since children are involved this case was reported to your local enforcement agency
A match made in hell
Jesus fuck, don’t take Stack away. I rely on it.
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Are you serious? Such a great loss.
On the plus side, it can’t get any worse.
As an AI language model I’m not able to answer duplicate questions and this was asked before. Closing.
Banning user for incompetence.
Heh, just you wait
Yes. And mark my words: as bad as they may seem, these are the good old days.
Always wrong
Oh, you sweet summer child…
lol this is going to be fantastically catastrophic. ChatGPT is going to end up indirectly writing so much code. And I am fully aware how often ChatGPT give you absolute nonsense when asked to write some code. It’s got a decently high hit rate for relatively unchallenging stuff, but it is nowhere NEAR 100% accurate.
TL;DR stackoverflow doesn’t understand how many developers naively copypaste shit from stackoverflow I guess? Wcgw
I don’t think this will affect StackOverflow website though? The blog implies that ChatGPT will use StackOverflow API to use as a knowledge source (and probably be paid for it).
OpenAI and Stack Overflow are coming together via OverflowAPI access to provide OpenAI users and customers with the accurate and vetted data foundation that AI tools need to quickly find a solution to a problem […]. OpenAI will also surface validated technical knowledge from Stack Overflow directly into ChatGPT, giving users easy access to trusted, attributed, accurate, and highly technical knowledge and code backed by the millions of developers that have contributed to the Stack Overflow platform for 15 years.
This seems to be exactly to prevent hallucinations when there’s a good vetted answer already.
Either people didn’t read the blog or is there something I’m missing?
AI will be the downfall of AI
I’m more worried about Stack ruining gpt than gpt ruining stack.
Me: How would I write a for-loop that starts from the end of a list?
ChatGPT: Closing this conversation as this question has already been answered.
The working solution being 5 child comments deep on a wrong solution flagged as correct is my favorite.
But all user contributions on StackOverflow licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0… right?
Attribution — You must give appropriate credit
So, if Stack Overflow generates text based on any answer (or question) in Stack Overflow’s DB, it must credit the person whose text it adapted.
Good luck with that…
I mean, Bing gives you link references in its answers, maybe something like that?
AI can’t read terms of service.
Stack trying to remain relevant
Oops! All Wrong Answers!
The snake eating its own tail
More the cow being fed its own brains.
