• sobuddywhoneedsyou@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Out of the numerous countries that the USA has invaded, couped, meddled in or intervened in, which ones have become free and democratic enough to your liking?

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      1 year ago

      Afghanistan was democratic during US occupation. Unfortunately, that was overthrown by the taliban when the US pulled out.

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            Your own source contradicts your claims:

            Prior to the 2021 overthrow of the government by the Taliban, Afghanistan had been consistently ranked as a below-average democracy by U.S.-based non-governmental organization Freedom House. According to their yearly survey Freedom in the World, Afghanistan scored only 27 points in 2019 to 2021 on a 100-point scale, falling in the category of “not free countries.”

            In 2010, a report published by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime indicated that bribery consumed approximately 23% of the GDP of Afghanistan.[8] This corruption was present in the highest levels of government, with the New Kabul Bank scandal in which a small number of political elites, including cabinet ministers, had embezzled nearly $1 billion through fraudulent loan schemes.[9][10]

            While the first presidential election of the republic in 2004 was relatively peaceful, the following 2009 presidential election was hampered by significant flaws, including a lack of security, low voter turnout, and widespread electoral fraud.[11]

            All this is after being chartiable and not including the 20% voter turnout in 2021 since that was the tail end of that epoch.

            But I bet you’ll blame all these shortcomings on the Afghans.

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              Oof, that’ll teach me to briefly skim a source before posting. I wasn’t going to blame anyone, because I clearly don’t know enough about the situation. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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              1 year ago

              You do know there are other options then occupied by russia or america right?

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                  You’re putting words in my mouth. I was addressing ksynwa’s comment, which was honestly a bit tangential and not entirely related to Ukraine. Offering aid is not occupation, and it’s a bit silly that you would imply that.