Before the “what about Hamas?!?” people get all upset-
According to human rights officials, Hamas is also named in the report for its killing and kidnapping of children in its 7 October attack on Israel, in which nearly 1,200 Israelis were killed.
Wherever people call out the October 7th death count that always makes me notice I can’t find data on how many Israeli civilians have died since October 7th. It’s almost like this has never actually been retaliatory.
If with October 7 you include the weekend until including October 9 and account people that died of injuries inflicted in that itme, then the number is zero. So Israeli civillians that were killed after the events commonly referred to as October 7.
Also for the number of October 7 it is conveniently ignored by pro Israel media, that about 400-500 of the Israelis killed were active duty soldiers. So the number of genuine Israeli victims of Hamas terror is around 700. Of these iirc. about 30-35 were children. So basically the rate of Palestinian childrens butchered by IDF to pass any random afternoon in the past 8 months.
It’s always the same disingenuous bullshit. I’d wager most people on here couldn’t care less about Hamas. All Hamas members could drop dead right now and I wouldn’t lose a second of sleep.
But somehow we’re all Hamas supporters because we don’t put a “I hate Hamas”-disclaimer above every comment about Israel. It’s so terribly low-effort and transparent.
It’s a standard Fascist trope to claim that “those who aren’t with us are against us” and Zionists are hard-Fascists, only beaten by the Nazis.
So of course they constantly, relentlessly, mindlessly use that trope by, amongst others, accusing those who criticize the Zionist Genocide of supporting those they claim are their enemies (which, funnilly enough, they actually financed), Hamas.
If you pay attention to Zionist arguments, every single one of them is a propaganda trick out of Himmler’s little book of tricks.
Me: I don’t want to see children and civilians dying over this war.
“What about children and civilians in Israel?”
I said ‘children and civilans’. I don’t want to see any such people die. I did not qualify with a nationality.
“Yeah, but you didn’t say ‘Israel’.”
I don’t need to. I don’t care where a person is born, or what’s on their passport. I just don’t want them being killed. I want to stop seeing innocent people killed.
“You think people who support Hamas are innocent?”
I’ll note here that we Americans have no influence whatsoever on what Hamas does, but allegedly, the President represents us. It makes sense to criticize Biden, whereas criticism of Hamas is just farting into the wind.
Before the “what about Hamas?!?” people get all upset-
Wherever people call out the October 7th death count that always makes me notice I can’t find data on how many Israeli civilians have died since October 7th. It’s almost like this has never actually been retaliatory.
If with October 7 you include the weekend until including October 9 and account people that died of injuries inflicted in that itme, then the number is zero. So Israeli civillians that were killed after the events commonly referred to as October 7.
Also for the number of October 7 it is conveniently ignored by pro Israel media, that about 400-500 of the Israelis killed were active duty soldiers. So the number of genuine Israeli victims of Hamas terror is around 700. Of these iirc. about 30-35 were children. So basically the rate of Palestinian childrens butchered by IDF to pass any random afternoon in the past 8 months.
It’s sure as hell not proportional.
People on Lemmy don’t criticize Hamas…. Just Biden.
That is absolute nonsense.
What people don’t do is feel the need to criticize Hamas every time Israel is criticized.
It’s always the same disingenuous bullshit. I’d wager most people on here couldn’t care less about Hamas. All Hamas members could drop dead right now and I wouldn’t lose a second of sleep.
But somehow we’re all Hamas supporters because we don’t put a “I hate Hamas”-disclaimer above every comment about Israel. It’s so terribly low-effort and transparent.
It’s a standard Fascist trope to claim that “those who aren’t with us are against us” and Zionists are hard-Fascists, only beaten by the Nazis.
So of course they constantly, relentlessly, mindlessly use that trope by, amongst others, accusing those who criticize the Zionist Genocide of supporting those they claim are their enemies (which, funnilly enough, they actually financed), Hamas.
If you pay attention to Zionist arguments, every single one of them is a propaganda trick out of Himmler’s little book of tricks.
Me: I don’t want to see children and civilians dying over this war.
“What about children and civilians in Israel?”
I said ‘children and civilans’. I don’t want to see any such people die. I did not qualify with a nationality.
“Yeah, but you didn’t say ‘Israel’.”
I don’t need to. I don’t care where a person is born, or what’s on their passport. I just don’t want them being killed. I want to stop seeing innocent people killed.
“You think people who support Hamas are innocent?”
There’s no winning, I’m afraid.
I see a lot of Hamas criticism in threads about Israel. I can’t remember the last time I saw a post about Hamas though.
So make one. Problem solved.
But mainly, you don’t see posts about Hamas because they main thing they’re doing right now is dying and that isn’t exactly news.
I’ll falsify that by criticising Hamas.
Hamas are terrorists and they suck. They need to fuck off and let Palestinians not get involved in terrifying violence.
I agree with that.
All my homies hate Hamas. It’s the default you barely have to mention. The sky is blue, fuck Hamas, water is wet.
I’ll note here that we Americans have no influence whatsoever on what Hamas does, but allegedly, the President represents us. It makes sense to criticize Biden, whereas criticism of Hamas is just farting into the wind.
Or we could all just criticize the real bad guy which is Israel
I hate terrorism. Therefore I hate Hamas, who are terrorists. And therefore I hate a state which uses terrorism to clear land, which Israel is doing: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html