• Frank🦁F@sh.itjust.works
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    Oh no! The fascists and capitalists that run society have given us the two worst choices to vote for! You better pick one of them to keep the system happy, and don’t consider voting for a third party…OR ELSE!

    Defeat genocidejoe. Vote pirate. Or West.

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      ROFL… I was young and idealistic once as well. The difference is, I was afforded the time to be ignorant.

      You aren’t.

      Pay attention. A lot is at stake here.

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        Keep voting for the “lesser evil”! I’m sure your descendants will think you were super intelligent and well informed!

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          …. Said the genius that thinks NOT doing something will bring change.

          Listen up,

          Someone is going to get elected whether you like it or not. By now you should probably know what Trump will do to the LGBTQ+, to women, to anyone that stands against the Christian ideology. Which pretty much includes everyone you know I would imagine.

          So go ahead and admit right now that you either don’t give a fuck at all about anyone that will be hurt if drum wins,

          Or admit you’re here in bad faith and go away.

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            You haven’t seen a history book before, have you??

            Genocide has been accepted since before even the old testament when God himself decided to do it a few times. There is even specific passages about killing civilians including babies.

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        There will always be a Boogeyman to fear, Trump is the current one. That’s how the oligarchy stays in power

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              Holy privilege Batman. Are trans people not included in your definition of “our lives”?

              Did you just openly admit that you only care about straight white men?

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                Incredibly naive of you to assume I’m straight. The hollow platitudes coming from Democrats don’t protect trans either. And quit using marginalized people as human shields to defend shitty politics while insisting they vote for the people keeping them marginalized.

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                  Trans here. You’re lying to me when you say I have nothing to lose from a Trump presidency, and you’re either lying to yourself or lying about being queer.

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                    What protections have Democrats extended for you? They talk about using the bathroom of choice but don’t do shit that you have to live on the streets to do it, or have access to physical or mental health care that you may need, and basic cost of living is out of control. While Republicans have passed over 300 bills against the lgbtq+ community, Democrats have done shit at the federal level to counteract those laws. As someone that came out during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, I’ve seen Democrats do nothing but shit on us while claiming to be an ally.

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                  Then you’re advocating for more power for people who want to end your existence. Nice play, genius.

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        Trump is the inevitable if you keep voting in genocidal trash like Biden that depresses voter turnout.

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          Accelerationists are far worse than MAGA. Because MAGA can claim ignorance.

          You are threatening to purposely fuck up America unless your demands are heeded.

          It’s fucking extortion.

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            Lets assume it is extortion.

            Wouldnt it be irresponsible to not give them what the want with the stakes so high?

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            America is already fucked up. The people who don’t believe so are deluded or benefiting from the situation.

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              So you’re an admitted troll here to disrupt an election… got it.

              That’s all I needed.

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                  And what is the truth exactly? That you won’t cop to the fact that while you claim to care about genocide, you are entirely unwilling to stop it from getting exponentially worse?

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      If you think they are the same you are the most privileged of people.

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      So stupid. We have to change the voting system before a “third party” will make any difference. It will take years of lobbying, marching, fighting. Your lazy little protest vote will accomplish nothing. The two parties control the electoral college. No third party has a chance till the system changes. Plus, no current third party is REMOTELY close to being a contender. Last time it even had a chance was Bernie if he ran independent in 2016 after the DNC screwed him and he chose not to. Just voting third party when no third party is showing any sign of winning, in an election like this, is so irresponsible. It proves you have no understanding of government. It’s acting like a child taking their ball and going home.

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        I was around during Ross Perot’s independent run. If he didn’t win, no third party had a chance. Ross was extremely popular his first run and when he ran his little whiteboard presentations, a huge number of people watched because that was the most entertaining and relatable show on TV. He drew viewers from both parties. He got 19% of the popular vote and not a single electoral vote.

        All due respect to Bernie, but he wouldn’t have touched Ross’s numbers just because you can’t have that kind of reach any more. Third party just can’t win.

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      Are comments like this your plan for getting millions of people to vote third party? Because unless you get several million to do that, they have zero chance of winning

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      If you want to make a meaningful change, you have to play the long game. Right now, we have to vote to mitigate even worse disasters. If I had a viable third party in the presidential race, I would vote for them.

      But the key word is viable. We don’t have one. So while Biden isn’t my favorite, my vote is less for him and more against Trump.

      If you want to have a chance to see a third party that more represents your political views, you’ll need to campaign for a third party in local, state, and congressional elections for probably decades until they become popular enough to become a viable contender for the presidential office.

      But in this presidential election, advocating for voting third party only benefits one person and that’s someone who not only would allow a worse genocide but will actively harm people in your community. Voting third party because Biden is complicit makes your actions, as noble and idealistic as you think they are, actively create a worse situation and makes you just as complicit in the pain and suffering that Trump will cause.

      So campaign and vote third party in local, state, and congressional elections and build that following to disrupt the two party system. But you’ve already lost the presidential election.