I hate that this is the debate we’re having now

I also hate that I’m feeding into the NYT’s lazy and transparent attempt to undo their previous partisanship with new opposite partisanship like those two things cancel out and add up to journalism

But what the hell, if that’s where we’re at, this is a relevant data point about the landscape

  • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
    127·
    4 months ago

    Who do you think should replace Biden?

    I am holding a graph of poll numbers comparing Biden with other Democratic nominees vs Trump, which I plan to send you once you have made your selection

      • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
        81·
        4 months ago

        Yeah that’s fair

        Not to say replacing Biden is automatically a bad idea. I am mostly reacting to the idea that that’ll solve all the problems and we should just do it right away and not think about exactly with who or what will happen next and if you have questions about the plan you’re the enemy (and also, for some reason, what seems to often go alongside it which is saying a bunch of stuff about Biden which objectively isn’t true).

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      4 months ago

      There is a person that Joe Biden specifically picked as his understudy, who is ready to step into the job at a moments notice. Why not her?

      You will reply with a poll that says that she won’t do any better, but all those polls are working with a hypothetical. If Harris becomes the nominee, and that hypothetical becomes reality, I think the polls will show a real bump as well. She’ll lose about 20 or 30 votes from the ACAB posters here, yet gain tens of thousands more from people who might be on the fence about voting at all. And the only thing standing between us and Fascism is a few thousand votes from the right zip codes.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      710·
      4 months ago

      So you’re just straight-up announcing your intention to immediately dismiss any answer you’re given.

      • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
        73·
        4 months ago

        No, I am warning them that I plan to show the poll numbers comparing Biden to whoever they select. Dismissing is different from debunking with evidence. But yes, I plan to debunk whatever they say, assuming it’s realistic enough to be found in a list of even some pretty outlandish Democratic possibilities.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          410·
          4 months ago

          Well, you intend to paste a graph that doesn’t take into account that no potential candidate other than Biden has campaigned at all, and that despite Biden’s campaigning, his numbers are still shit.

          • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
            102·
            4 months ago

            Moving goalposts is good clean fun, isn’t it? I am finished though. I have chased them around for as long as I wanted to.

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
              66·
              4 months ago

              You’re taking advantage of a catch-22. No one’s numbers can go up until they campaign, and no one’s gonna campaign unless Biden steps aside.

              • AmidFuror@fedia.io
                52·
                4 months ago

                Their numbers will go down after the Russians and right-wing media launch their anti-campaign against the new nominee. It’s much easier to smear someone than for them to get a positive message out. Especially if you can lie and not be held accountable.