I don’t see how this works. Like, Haley doesn’t own what was objectively the org’s name/ tagline. For example there was a PAC called “Vets Against Trump”. Its not like Trump can issue a cease and desist for that use.
It also seems like trying to have it both ways with PACs. Can you or can you not coordinate?
You may use names, but only in the case that its explicitly “against” a thing. I’m still not sure Haley has grounds in the direction she’s taken though. But that begs the question of the previous convention, and it not being an FEC issue. Again, this just feels like Haley wanting to have it both ways.
Maybe if they modified it to ‘Former Haley voters’, that could arguably solve the perceived defamation problem, by making it more obvious that they do not reflect opinions or stances of Haley, as they are former supporters of hers, also thus kind of? implying they are against Haley?
Just adding in that they are against someone else does not rectify the possible defamatory nature of using Haley’s name, but maybe modifying their relationship to Haley does?
Former friends of bob support Hitler?
God this is almost as pedantic as copyright disputes.
First, I just want to thank you for a reasonable conversation with some sources thrown in!
I still think Haley would win this if it came to a lawsuit, but I’m not a lawyer, maybe there is some kind of successful legal defense or recourse.
…Or maybe it would go all the way to the Supremely Corrupt Court, who is apparently playing by Whose Line Is It Anyway rules (the rules are made up and the points precedent doesn’t matter!), blargh.
I don’t see how this works. Like, Haley doesn’t own what was objectively the org’s name/ tagline. For example there was a PAC called “Vets Against Trump”. Its not like Trump can issue a cease and desist for that use.
It also seems like trying to have it both ways with PACs. Can you or can you not coordinate?
I agree with you in spirit, but the way the law probably works on this boils down to they’re using her name.
Imagine if someone made a group named ‘Friends of your name for Hitler.’
You would probably find that defamatory, and I think the law would probably agree.
I mean, I go back to my previous point. There was quite literally a PAC called “Vets against Trump”.
Interestingly, I dug into this a bit. Haley may have something here.
https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-pac/naming-nonconnected-pac/
You may use names, but only in the case that its explicitly “against” a thing. I’m still not sure Haley has grounds in the direction she’s taken though. But that begs the question of the previous convention, and it not being an FEC issue. Again, this just feels like Haley wanting to have it both ways.
So they could rename to “Haley voters against Trump”?
They should just change the name to “Haley voters against not voting for Harris”
Maybe if they modified it to ‘Former Haley voters’, that could arguably solve the perceived defamation problem, by making it more obvious that they do not reflect opinions or stances of Haley, as they are former supporters of hers, also thus kind of? implying they are against Haley?
Just adding in that they are against someone else does not rectify the possible defamatory nature of using Haley’s name, but maybe modifying their relationship to Haley does?
Former friends of bob support Hitler?
God this is almost as pedantic as copyright disputes.
The FEC rule says it has to be negative?
Something like…
“Voters not voting for Haley but most definitely not voting for Trump.”
Former, now Anti-Haley voters for not voting for not voting against Trump.
There we go, perfectly succinct rofl.
IANAL but… maybe?
First, I just want to thank you for a reasonable conversation with some sources thrown in!
I still think Haley would win this if it came to a lawsuit, but I’m not a lawyer, maybe there is some kind of successful legal defense or recourse.
…Or maybe it would go all the way to the Supremely Corrupt Court, who is apparently playing by Whose Line Is It Anyway rules (the rules are made up and the
pointsprecedent doesn’t matter!), blargh.