India achieving what Russia couldn’t. Great job India!
What do you mean couldn’t? They landed as well. Just faster and less controlled…
Good job India!
Russia landed on the moon 18 successful times though?
No. The Soviet Union did. With Ukrainian engineers.
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I’ve been sitting next to Ukrainians in the lecture hall before most of y’all even shat your pampers.
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The last time being nearly 50 years ago. And this time they didn’t even manage to get into orbit, landing is supposed to be the hard part.
The landing part is the hard part, but it isn’t like Russia is any less inept than any other nation with a space program. Until SpaceX and now NASA got their new launch systems up and running, it was Russia that was getting our people to and from the ISS. The US had a pretty long span of time having to rely on basically the same launch systems that were directly competing against them during the race to the Moon. Shit is just really hard no matter how long any nation/company has been doing it. We still get plenty of pretty epic explosions from SpaceX and will see many more (especially with the BFR project). And before them we lost Challenger without it making it to space, and Colombia while coming back to earth. They did at least get to the Moon and did leave a mark of sorts. I wish there were cameras with high resolution recording all the landings and crashes from all nations that could upload after the fact for us to see. I would love to see how big the dust plumes get from all of them (especially the crashes), and see how long it takes for shit to settle again.
NASA still haven’t really got their SLS or any other launch system up and running, just SpaceX with Crew Dragon. SLS is in the pipeline but not yet certified for people - the first crewed launch is currently scheduled for Nov 2024, however that date may well slide. That leaves just SpaceX as an alternative to Russia, at least for crewed missions.
More recently the reliability of Russian rockets has been called into question. SpaceX launch far more than Russia now and with SpaceX it’s pretty much become routine. Excluding Starship, SpaceX haven’t had a launch failure since 2016. Meanwhile, Russia have their own distractions going on here on Earth.
Space is hard, but achieving orbits is on the easier end of it and should be fairly routine. Russia have experience landing on the moon in the past, however by their own admission that experience wasn’t available in the recent mission. Obviously we don’t know exactly what went wrong with Russia’s attempt, but it is a little concerning they failed at such a small hurdle.
I mean sure, there are failures all the time. But it just seems weird bringing up Russia’s (or anyone’s) successful space program when India lands on the moon.
It’s not that weird, Russia’s was the most recent attempt before this one. India landed today, Russia crashed last weekend, Japan crashed back in April, India crashed 2019. Those are all the most relevant ones to talk about in relation to this one due to timing and landing site.
All the starving Indian children are going to be so happy foreigners have a slightly higher opinion of Modi now!
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00067-6/fulltext
What’s 20 years of starving children compared to being the 4th country to land on the moon after no one else tried for decades?
He said India achieved it, not that Modi achieved it.
Then why don’t you help feed them instead of posting in a platform through a device that very likely is using tech that came from space research operations?
Because then they don’t get to feel morally superior to everyone.
I love how there is always some dipshit lurking around here, stats at the ready, regardless of how relevant their outrage may be.
Ah… this person is a complete utter Indian/Modi hater. Read their comment history. I’ve replied to them in a previous comment related to India space techs. He kept throwing arguments that I believed in a (supposedly) Indian propaganda and Modi kept his people starving backed this same reference. When I see this post I wonder if they would be here throwing the same hatred. Lo and behold, who have I found.
Edit. I’ve found their previous comment thread. Their comment began quite sound but getting ridiculous down the thread. According to them, It seemed no matter what, Indian space techs just an illusionary accomplishments where any other country can achieve (which is not true as my I put out a reply that my country can’t, and likely so for many other countries) and India shouldn’t invest in techs because their citizens are starving - which is ridiculous to me as we need to invest in knowledge to progress. Every country has to deal with countless domestic issues but that shouldn’t stop them progressing technology wise.
He also uses alt accounts to spew the same anti-India shit. He needs to be banned
Just like Musk isn’t responsible for the work the engineers at SpaceX have accomplished, Modi isn’t responsible for the work the engineers in India have accomplished.
But Modi is the one that decides where funding goes…
He’s also the one that decided India is exporting rice again, despite all the children starving. So prices go up, the wealthiest make money, and even more can’t afford the remaining rice.
When the Brits exported rice during famine to make money, they were monsters…
When Modi does it…
He’s still a monster. Unless you’re a hypocrite, then it’s somehow cool and a moon rocket makes up for it
This isn’t about Modi pal, stfu already.
Awesome news! Go India! 🇮🇳
Why is this awesome news?
Humanity successfully landed another object safety on a celestial object hundreds of thousands of miles away from the Earth. Of course that’s impressive.
Plus, they succeeded where Russia failed, which is at least mildly amusing.
Being fair, they did land some things on the Moon before while part of the USSR. Though it is nice to see a new nation get a first for something relating to the Moon.
Yes, this says more about India than about Russia.
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Why isn’t it awesome news? Humanity landed another thing on the moon.
It seems like it shouldn’t be that hard in 2023 compared to 1969.
Landing in the moon’s polar region is much harder than landing in the equatorial region. This is the first successful landing on the moon’s South Pole.
Luna-25 was also aiming for the poles; the Russians already know how to do a normal lunsr landing.
While I understand your headspace. Space isn’t easy even with modern tech for any nation (or company in the case of the private launch sector). They didn’t have the benefit of the Space Race injecting mad money and manpower like the US and the USSR did (shit is hard to justify spending money on while still being on the newer side of certain industrial development as a nation). They also had to make their own systems to get there. Even SpaceX still has failures to land their first stage boosters after getting it pretty well figured out. Just a crazy amount of variables means it will fail majorly if any random one is wrong. Even if they had failed to land, it would still be worth some respect for even getting on target. I think that once AI is much more mature (and not just a large language model that tends to just make shit up that sounds correct but isn’t), then I think your stance would be more correct. As the ship itself would be able to deal with all of it with or without input from earth. Would also be better at making the tough calls to abort or proceed without any emotions/stress causing bad decisions.
What di you mean. There was no real time control. Landing instructions were provided well ahead of time and onboard systems too control through out from 30kms to touch down including the precise spot which was done from 800meters off.
I dont know how many would classify that as AI but it was an autonomous system landing.
For India, a nation which is still working on getting flush toilets everywhere?
So if i land a shoe there it would be awesome?
Yes.
Good luck doing that though.
It would.
I think you guys should pay attention to more important things than someone landing his shoes somewhere
You know what is implied in the ability to land a shoe on the moon, right?
Whoever threw it up there has an amazing pitching arm?
If a person without a nation state’s budget behind him can land an object even one the size of a shoe on the moon that would be a major scientific breakthrough and an incredible engineering achievement.
Simply the economics of the feat would basically instantly revolutionise a whole host of industries. Even spaceX who’s whole thing is making the economics of space reasonable is nowhere close .
We put humans there 50 years ago, landing a shoe won’t achieve anything other than boost someone ego
You don’t get to dictate what’s important and what’s not
I don’t, logic does. If india were to take care of the poverty plaguing the country and shit like the caste system in a bunch of years the space program and all sort of research would benefit for the universal wealth produced by a fair society
What’s with the misery?
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Congrats to India!
It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you let your people starve and allow brutal sectarian violence towards cultural minorities.
But enough about the US.
We’ve gone from “Congrats to India for doing thing!” to “India sucks because of unrelated thing” to “The United States sucks because of that thing too” in three comments.
It’s almost like these people don’t give a shit and are only looking for excuses to shit on other countries, especially western ones and in particular the US, regardless of relevance.
I don’t recall singling out any country. In fact I did the opposite. I called them all out.
It’s almost like you didn’t actually read the comments fully.
You aren’t even in the above comments. What are you talking about?
The US was picked specifically in this chain.
Lemmy is kind of predictable in that way.
Show me in the US where there are minorities being paraded through the streets and gang raped. Show me the lynchings happening in the US right now.
Fuck if with your what about bullshit. I can imagine you responding in a similarly flippant manner about a similar occurrence in Rwanda. Because you only care about things to score ideological points.
Every country sucks. People suck. You can’t get away from it. Enjoy the victories where you can find them.
Not all people suck, there’s plenty of good people around like lemmy devs and admins. But then we get countries and their governments trying to submit everyone under the rule of few and messing up with the good projects by kind people
Found givesomefucks’ alt account
I’ve noticed those two accounts backing each other up.
People can agree on things you know. Assuming I’m an alt shows that you’d rather engage in conspiratorial thinking to act like there’s some threat rather than a more benign assumption that two different people on this website could hold comparable opinions, especially after the news coming from Manipur.
I didn’t say it was an alt, I said they backed each other up. Way to show how you have conspiratorial thinking lol.
How did any of that help design, build, and land a craft on the Moon?
Maybe not the time
Yo they just landed on the moon who cares about the poor beggars starving, once we get to jupiter space scientists will unlock food pills to fill their stomach
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Three other nations — the US, China, and the former Soviet Union — have all previously achieved a soft landing near the Moon’s equator, a safer region with (comparatively) amiable temperatures and terrain and reliable sunlight to recharge solar-powered instruments.
By contrast, much of the Moon’s southern pole is littered with deep craters and basins that are permanently shrouded in darkness.
The extreme conditions in these “cold traps” make remote observation from Earth difficult and present problems for operating sensitive equipment in the region.
The Chandrayaan-3 spacecraft took 22 days to enter the Moon’s orbit on August 5th, following its launch from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre on July 14th.
On August 17th, the Vikram lander carrying Pragyan — a lunar ground rover — successfully separated from its propulsion module in preparation for today’s soft landing.
The mission marks India’s second attempt at a lunar landing after the Chandrayaan-2 lander crashed into the Moon’s surface back in 2019.
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All of the kids are holding up pictures of an american space shuttle that isn’t even designed to land on the moon. But its good that those kids have something to look up to.
The space shuttle is very photogenic 🤷
True, it was the sexiest spacecraft humanity has done so far. Now we only have flying space dicks, sometimes with some smaller space dicks attached to its sides. Quite poetic.
Yeah, feels like we have taken a step back almost, we went from Apollo to shuttle and back to basically Apollo as far as overall look.
The closest thing to the shuttle that has a planned Q1 2024 launch date is Dreamchaser. It’s much smaller than the shuttle and not nearly as capable, but it at least looks cooler and lands like the shuttle.
If you look closer, you can see that the space shuttle is actually riding on a giant flying space dick, with two smaller flying space dicks attached on the sides.
True. Unfortunately it seems like the shuttle design is not as perfoment as the traditional rockets. Maybe when we have orbital platforms.
At least they’re not wearing NASA t-shirts.
Isn’t that this cool and hip fashion brand?
Congratulations on all your hard work India. Ride the wave. It’s a great accomplishment.
Welcome to the club, India!
My only note is that you might want to get a bit more creative when choosing a name (Chandrayaan means “moon craft” or “moon vehicle” in Sanskrit).
So sounds like… a good name?
I mean USA names it after moon god, Russia just calls it moon so its as creative as the rest
It’s really no less inventive than Apollo.
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Congrats to India
So what has that slacker been doing since then? Has it quantified the amount of water (as ice) located in the fissures at the south pole?
Get busy little robot - we have no time for dallying.
Wow ! Killing it
Their CGI needs some work
CGI was fine but it was annoying they didn’t consistently broadcast the numbers and just switching to various individual views. At the time of touchdown they showed a barren CGI and modi on a 40% background. Could have atleast showed the three metrics at a corner.
Agree 100% 👍 Modi ruined the final moments for me. Wish there was a separate stream with just the telemetry. But this telecast was way better than it used to be. Also noticed millions of people left the YouTube stream once Modi started speaking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hmm. The two streams I was interested on where the velocity and elevation metric and the live camera feed from lander. They simply didn’t show them after approx 300mtrs ofs ground and went to the speech. Was such a let off given how hyped I was. Just walked away.
Lol who gives a shit about CGI. It was basically for all regulars so that they can understand how the landing is happening in real time.
Actually the fact that it’s shitty helps with credibility because it doesn’t enable dumbass Moon landing deniers
It’s less impressive when you remember they’re letting the majority of Indian children live with severe malnourishment to do this…
It’s like NK bragging about their rockets.
When you don’t take care of the necessities, it’s easy to do other shit.
Like a person wearing flashy clothes, driving new cars, and living in a giant house. Then finding out their over leveraged and bankrupt.
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Downvoting won’t feed the children Modi is sacrificing
The prevalence of Zero-Food in India marginally declined from 20.0% (95% CI: 19.3%–20.7%) in 1993 to 17.8% (95% CI: 17.5%–18.1%) in 2021. There were considerable differences in the trajectories of change in the prevalence of Zero-Food across states. Chhattisgarh, Mizoram, and Jammu and Kashmir experienced high increase in the prevalence of Zero-Food over this time period, while Nagaland, Odisha, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh witnessed a significant decline. In 2021, Uttar Pradesh (27.4%), Chhattisgarh (24.6%), Jharkhand (21%), Rajasthan (19.8%) and Assam (19.4%) were states with the highest prevalence of Zero-Food. As of 2021, the estimated number of Zero-Food children in India was 5,998,138, with the states of Uttar Pradesh (28.4%), Bihar (14.2%), Maharashtra (7.1%), Rajasthan (6.5%), and Madhya Pradesh (6%) accounting for nearly two-thirds of the total Zero-Food children in India. Zero-Food in 2021 was concerningly high among children aged 6–11 months (30.6%) and substantial even among children aged 18–23 months (8.5%). Overall, socioeconomically advantaged groups had lower prevalence of Zero-Food than disadvantaged groups.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00067-6/fulltext
You’re being downvoted because you’ve zero clues here and you just run your agenda of hatred. You just want to diminish a country’s achievement by bringing in different stats. This is typical of country-hating citizens.
As for how and what this achieves is ISRO is immensely profitable in bringing in foreign money to India. They do it by having cheapest and reliable spa e programs. They’re uncontested in this area now and all space agencies including private ones like SpaceX pays ISRO for their satellite launches.
In case you don’t understand in your blind hatred, this pays for India’s space program and bring in a lot nore money as well.
As for the other countries trying, Russia just tried and failed, NASA has both manned and unmanned launches to moon planned. So saying other countries are not doing this is false.
Comparing NK rocket launch to this clearly how out of reality you’re.
And finally, regarding your straw man argument of malnutrition, first of all it’s exactly that - straw man argument or whataboutism which has nothing to do with this achievement.
Secondly, while malnutrition is a big issue and must be addressed, ending space program will do jackshit.
Even further, Chandrayaan 3 is not Modi’s achievement anyway, so why bring Modi hate in India’s success story?
he’s being downvoted also because he’s literally spamming every single thread about the landing on every community and instance with same-text posts, only the usernames varies depending on instance.
That too, but none of his argument is valid in the context. It’s plain hatred.
All the countries with space programs have people in some form of dire strait. Starving, homeless, lack of medical care… Are you saying achievements like this aren’t allowed to take place at all until every problem is taken care of? I can assure you that at no point in civilization has there been times where someone wasn’t in a bad spot while society moved forward. Yeah, India has some big problems, and huge wealth disparity is a problem that many places face alongside India, but you can’t shut down progress because all the other problems can’t be solved.
By that logic we should clap everytime North Korea launches a rocket.
And there’s not really any “progress” here.
Modi has publicly said he’s doing all this space stuff not for technological/scientific advancement.
It’s a PR campaign to make foreigners think India is a world power. And to pay for it, he’s letting the “lower caste” people go thru hell
Honestly, I thought people wouldn’t be dumb enough to fall for it. But I guess Modi was right, here you are defending him
Modi can be relegated to the annals of history for all I care, your assertion that this program was a waste is blatantly incorrect. 40% of Indian children are malnourished compared to 17% in the US. Indians don’t have to sell blood to survive, and primary care is available to all citizens. Rx prices are controlled, and abortion has been legal for decades, and recently has been made free as well. The govt doesn’t have just one mandate, and this is an achievement of the space organization not politicians. No one is implying modi was actually sitting and working to land the space craft.
Regardless of OP’s accuracy, you’re still defending a literal fascist.
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Ok brand new account with no other comments pretending pre-covid numbers are the same as 2023.
Easy block tho, I won’t be missing anything
I really hope you poopoo every achievement from every other major space program, because all of them have skeletons in their closets. America doesn’t just starve its children (it does that), but it literally shoots them. Russia is, well, Russia. China sucks. They all suck. Some suck more than others but they’re all shit.
That’s NEVER going to change. So let people have small victories now and then. Progress is progress.
Yep fuck every space program. And fuck Modi the overt fascist even more.
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North Korean rockets are war machines, they don’t even go to space.
Nah, it’s still very impressive. The two things aren’t necessarily related and you’ve presented zero evidence that they are. The entire idea that India’s options were “feed kids or go to space” is reductive to the point of absurdity. They could do both.
In any case, exploring our solar system isn’t a luxury akin to owning a sports car. It’s science. It’s pushing the boundaries of human knowledge. It is incredibly valuable in a way that’s hard to quantify.
And quite frankly, Modi had precious little to do with this. He’s a politician and this happened while he was in power. That’s it. It’s not like he was in the control room giving directions or turning a screwdriver or something.
India has a lot of problems, but investing in ISRO isn’t one of them. Satellites help in weather forecasting, cyclone monitoring, navigation and planning. ISRO also makes money by launching foreign satellites.
“Majority” of Indian children?
Last released day was pre-covid and was in the high 40 percents…
Do you think the last couple years with COVID and Modi re-priotizing space missions has helped them?
Or do you think they got that last 3-5% to put them over 50%?
There has been a rapid decline in poverty in India in recent years. Why would that have suddenly reversed? Especially as a result of space missions? According to this article the Indian space program gets a budget of about $1.5 billion per year, which isn’t particularly much for a country with the 5th largest economy in the world.
There has been a rapid decline in poverty in India in recent years.
Unless you live in one of the areas where there’s a lot of Muslims or lower castes, then it’s been increasing
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00067-6/fulltext
The prevalence of Zero-Food in India marginally declined from 20.0% (95% CI: 19.3%–20.7%) in 1993 to 17.8% (95% CI: 17.5%–18.1%) in 2021. There were considerable differences in the trajectories of change in the prevalence of Zero-Food across states. Chhattisgarh, Mizoram, and Jammu and Kashmir experienced high increase in the prevalence of Zero-Food over this time period, while Nagaland, Odisha, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh witnessed a significant decline. In 2021, Uttar Pradesh (27.4%), Chhattisgarh (24.6%), Jharkhand (21%), Rajasthan (19.8%) and Assam (19.4%) were states with the highest prevalence of Zero-Food. As of 2021, the estimated number of Zero-Food children in India was 5,998,138, with the states of Uttar Pradesh (28.4%), Bihar (14.2%), Maharashtra (7.1%), Rajasthan (6.5%), and Madhya Pradesh (6%) accounting for nearly two-thirds of the total Zero-Food children in India. Zero-Food in 2021 was concerningly high among children aged 6–11 months (30.6%) and substantial even among children aged 18–23 months (8.5%). Overall, socioeconomically advantaged groups had lower prevalence of Zero-Food than disadvantaged groups.
Those numbers are the kids who have it so bad they go 24 hours without any food…
And this is the fault of the Indian space program, somehow?
Look, nobody here is saying Modi is awesome or that poverty and sectarianism doesn’t suck. But jumping in to unrelated threads to rant about it is kind of annoying. Especially this copypasting of the same big block of text from the same article over and over.
Then go join a Lemmy community that’s focused on activism. I get it, I’m absolutely furious at these numbers and how many kids are suffering, and that a democraticly-elected leader is targeting a specific ethnic group is even worse, it’s just that no one tapped or clicked this topic to find anything that wasn’t related to space travel.
Please, for the sake of succeeding in your cause, go post somewhere that is designed for activism like Change.org
Pasting my reply in a separate comment by OP here.
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Ah… this person is a complete utter Indian/Modi hater. Read their comment history. I’ve replied to them in a previous comment related to India space techs. He kept throwing arguments that I believed in a (supposedly) Indian propaganda and Modi kept his people starving backed this same reference. When I see this post I wonder if they would be here throwing the same hatred. Lo and behold, who have I found.
Edit. I’ve found their previous comment thread. Their comment began quite sound but getting ridiculous down the thread. According to them, It seemed no matter what, Indian space techs just an illusionary accomplishments where any other country can achieve (which is not true as my I put out a reply that my country can’t, and likely so for many other countries) and India shouldn’t invest in techs because their citizens are starving - which is ridiculous to me as we need to invest in knowledge to progress. Every country has to deal with countless domestic issues but that shouldn’t stop them progressing technology wise.
