I feel like the vast amount of “Biden supporters” online these days are just flat out republicans trying to make sure Biden is their worst case scenario…
It’s the only way any of this makes sense.
None of them can give any real reasons why Biden is the best candidate, they just keep repeating “it’s too late”.
I’ve never seen a better ambassador of the Republican party.
You have truly personified the meme of a pigeon walking up to a chessboard.
I listed two options I think would work for me
You also told me you’re a Republican and know nothing of the Democratic party or what its voters want…
So let me give you some advice, for Republican candidates I want:
Boots Riley
Optimus Prime.
For better or worse, you know you need me and my perspective on this matter. Lest you lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and let Trump take the victory.
No we don’t.
Because Obama 08 didn’t need help from “moderate Dems” and he sure didn’t need help from Republicans.
The entire problem with the modern DNC is they ignore their base and chase Republicans.
Who will always say the DNC isn’t conservative enough.
It creates these feedback loop where the party gets more and more conservative leaving behind more and more of its own voters.
We can just leave you all behind, and give voters a candidate they like. A progressive candidate.
Ok…
So why not get rid of the fillbuster?
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-is-the-filibuster-and-how-can-the-senate-reform-it/
Seriously.
If 50 D senators isn’t enough because of the fillibuster, what’s you’re reasoning for keeping it?
Its yall’s problem. I’m a Republican. I barely know the Democratic ticket
So…
You don’t know anything about what people are talking about here, by your own admission…
You’re just a Republican here to tell us no matter what Biden is the only option besides trump?
The Dem party platform apparently…
But PUMA didn’t stop Obama either.
No matter how loud “moderates” get, they’re a very small voting block. They’re just overrepresented in party leadership
Man…
Sounds like the party should have let an open and fair primary happen…
Could have seen what Biden on a debate stage was like 6 months ago…
Voters could have had all sorts of time to evaluate possible paths forward…
Like, it’s hard to make the call, but someone has to be the adult in the room and take Grandpa’s keys before his next trip to Country Kitchen Buffet.
Everybody wants to act like Biden isn’t driving down the interstate with our kids in the backseat.
It’s not enough that’s he’s not intentionally trying to get in a crash, he needs to be a safe driver. And we can’t just let Grandpa keep driving till he gets on the interstate via an exit ramp. We need to take his license before he kills anyone.
“The decision-makers are two people — it’s the president and his wife,” one of the sources familiar with the discussions said, adding: “Anyone who doesn’t understand how deeply personal and familial this decision will be isn’t knowledgeable about the situation.”
The DNC keeps saying it up to Biden…
Which is the exact opposite of what their lawyers have spent the last decade saying
We could have—and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right
The DNC can say Biden isn’t the best shot at beating trump, so they’re not going with Biden.
They just don’t want to.
They only want to pull the party right, never left.
Even if that means republicans win.
But this isnt just a “deeply personal and familial decision” it’s the fucking future of our country and it’s more important than Joe Biden
Without a majority in both chambers it seems like we’re fucked
We literally just had that…
For two years…
And we’re still fucked because instead of voting for someone that would accomplish stuff, we banded together around Joe Biden.
And got “not trump” but none of what we actually want either.
Which brings us full circle to why Biden might not get enough votes to stop trump in 2024.
You’re missing the context…
They’ve been saying they don’t need to abide by the will of the voters because they’re a private party.
And they’re right
So when they say they can’t use their power to give voters want they want because they’re impartial…
It’s obviously bullshit.
They’re going to do what they want
Dozens of states
Great.
Literally and unrioncislly great
But we’re talking about the federal government, not states…
You’re also ignoring that the reason we need a supermajority, is Dems won’t get rid of the fillibuster.
A cynic would say because that removes their best excuse for why they can’t do what their voters want.
Nobody can fight them right now though
Voters don’t expect everything to get fixed overnight
We expect the people we elect to fight for progress, even if they lose.
It’s a very low bar that the DNC isn’t meeting.
Right
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison, it’s very very unlikely that Jamie Harrison nominates anyone else. And if he does, it will be another moderate that names Jamie Harrison head of the DNC again.
Because the people running the DNC care more about personal political power than stopping trump.
Just like the problem with republicans isn’t just trump, it’s the people behind the scenes that also need addressed.
The problem with the DNC isn’t just Biden, it’s the people Biden put in charge of the DNC.
The party can’t survive without the voters, we’re the important part.
If the DNC refuses to acknowledge that, it won’t be the first time voters left a party behind to die without them.
At a certain point the corruption is bad enough we need to start over. It won’t be easy, but at a certain point it’s the only option.
We need to do more to stop this than just block trump from office for four years to stall.
We need Dems that will actually fight against it and can plan more than one election ahead of time.
Even when trump is dead and buried the people who came up with this plan and fund it are still going to be there, and will keep trying.
Moderates want us to only focus on current elections while Republican extremists plan decades ahead of time.
What is being done to fight them isn’t enough.
For one, Biden would have to willingly give up the nomination in order to release delegates already pledged to him.
Factually not true…
The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.
As their lawyers have told judges, they’re a private organization that can name anyone as the candidate. That was their defense for accusations that they already rig primaries.
A second problem is the public doesn’t know any other Democrat nearly as well as they know Biden, and it would be difficult to introduce someone to the public at this late date without them being defined by Donald Trump, the Republicans and Fox News in the worst possible ways.
Literally anyone that becomes the Dem nominee will have nationwide name recognition in 24 hours.
The most common reason for voting Biden is “to stop trump” so any replacement shares the most important quality Dem voters want that Biden actually meets.
Like, sure, this would have been so much easier if we had an actual primary and the people closest to Biden hadn’t spent four years hiding him and lying about his mental capabilities. But they didn’t. They kept repeating it was too late for anyone except Biden.
They’re still saying it, but it’s still not true.
Wouldn’t they benefit from more people?
The wealthy win when there’s more workers than work.
Historically the greatest gains in workers rights and the times we make the most gains against wealth inequality is when there isn’t a surplus of workers.
Can you provide a quote from the article
So you want a quote from the article titled:
Elect Joe Biden America
That has a byline of the entire Times editorial board …
To show they the Times endorsed Biden last election?
Are you sure the headline isn’t enough?
He was not endorsed in the primary.
He was endorsed in the general in 2020.
Biden didn’t win be a lot by 2020. But he has a habit of telling anyone that doesn’t support him 100% that he doesn’t need them
I thought it was a pretty obvious issue.
Edit:
I mean. He’s responding to criticism he might not be able to win the general, are you saying he was talking about the primary?
Is this just him getting confused again?
Alright…
We’re close…
Here’s where it gets tricky, lots of people get lost.
For the best path forward and to ensure this doesn’t happen again we should:
Have a robust primary every election and replace incumbents that don’t agree with voters.
Blindly support Dem incumbents until they eventually lose to a Republican
Think about it, don’t just answer right away reflexively.
Which path forward actually leads to progress? I don’t want to rush you, but it’s an election year. Decisions made today we’re gonna be stuck with for 4-6 years.
So think fast, but think long term.