• Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    2562·
    3 months ago

    It’s time for Russia to concede territory and end the war for the sake of all Russians.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      497·
      3 months ago

      Some Tankie argued with me about that because he told me to find a quote from Putin where he literally said that. Like, does that matter? That was the general Russian sentiment.

      • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        47·
        3 months ago

        I don’t think Putin publicly said it to br fair. It’s something that was said by Russian propagandists and there was a leaked FSB report claiming that Putin also believed it.

        Clearly things are not going according to plan for Russia though, regardless of they thought it’d take three days or three months. Their actions in the initial hours and days of the war also seemed to indicate they were aiming for a quick decapitation.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          214·
          3 months ago

          I don’t think he did either, but it’s a silly request to make because it was very obvious that, even if the ‘three days’ thing wasn’t literal, they expected the war to be over very quickly and they would roll into Kyiv with little resistance.

          • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            12·
            3 months ago

            Very true. It’s really frustrating having a discussion with those people because they never seem to argue in good faith. I honestly don’t think they can possibly believe some of the unhinged stuff they say.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          3 months ago

          Apparently Lukashenko said the “Kyiv in three days” part. I can’t find a good source to link, though.

  • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
    819·
    3 months ago

    Ukraine should immediately and publicly offer peace terms with Russia:

    • Both countries reset to *1991 borders. Each nation immediately leaves others’ territory
    • Return any captured Ukrainian men, women, and children
    • Russian reparations for people, land, equipment destroyed or stolen
    • Kremlin leaders responsible for invasion to face an international tribunal

    This would show that Ukraine is reasonable but still allowed to defend itself. But more importantly, it would shut up the boot-licking tankies who muddy the waters and falsely claim that bOtH SiDeS are invading each other…

  • rustyfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    63·
    3 months ago

    And so Ukraine starts a special operation on Russian territory to defeat the Nazi regime and save the Ukrainian majority population.

  • psmgx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    365·
    3 months ago

    Am area the size of Philly. Whew that’s gonna worry Russia.

    IIRC it’s to smash the gas pipelines. If they want to actually hold this they’re gonna have a hard time. Maybe they can turn it into a flanking move or something, otherwise it has the makings of a “high water mark” moment like Gettysburg.

    • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      3 months ago

      IIRC it’s to smash the gas pipelines.

      It’s to make Russia either destroy the facilities in order to dislodge the UAF and retake the area or show weakness and allow the capture to stand for a period.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      3 months ago

      Those gas pipelines run through Ukraine, don’t they? If they wanted to cut off the pipeline they didn’t need to cross the border to do that.

      • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        Russia is having a hard time because everyone working for Putin is a con man grifter. Some are, in addition to being frauds, also dumb as fuck.

  • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    3 months ago

    And they will dig in probably, forcing Russian troops to use their destroy and advance tactic on their own villages.

  • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    121·
    3 months ago

    Surprise move by Ukraine! Watch Russia nuke their own territory to be able to use a nuke to look strong, dangerous and unpredictable and not get in trouble for it.

    (This is a joke)

  • peopleproblems@lemmy.worldEnglish
    92·
    3 months ago

    This wouldnt have been related to the F-16s in action now would it?

    I know they are wicked overpowered comepared to a lot of Russian aircraft, but do they have this sort of range?

      • peopleproblems@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        Ok. I see why that is silly yes.

        I don’t know how far away from the border the fighters take off from. I also don’t know how altitude plays into the whole combat and range thing. For all I know, they take off 300 miles away from the border, cruise at 30k feet, fly lower, drop some bombs, fly back up at 30k and head another 300 miles back.

        I don’t actually know if 600 miles is a long distance for an F-16 but it is a small plane.

        I also don’t know how big Ukraine is thinking about it.

        • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          Yep.

          The range is both very important and not applicable to your question. Ukraine fighters will always reach the war zone, whatever range they have, because fighters with less capacity will take-off closer to it and thus be more at risk.

  • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.worldEnglish
    524·
    3 months ago

    don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes don’t use nukes

    • misterwu@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      3 months ago

      You are being bullied by Russia into fear. Bullies need to be crushed, not be feared.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      9·
      3 months ago

      Their nukes probably aren’t even operational. They weren’t maintaining their other equipment, so odds are they aren’t maintaining the nukes, which if they use they already lost, so are effectively worthless except as a threat.

      Assuming their nukes work, they can’t nuke Ukraine. The reason why nukes aren’t used is because the damage is uncontrollable. The fallout would effect large portions of Russia too. Think about how much the Chernobyl event effected Russia, and it wasn’t a weapon. If Ukraine is nuked then they damage themselves as well as all surrounding nations, which would bring NATO into the fight. If they can’t beat Ukraine they sure as hell don’t stand a chance against NATO.

      Basically, the nuke threat is a bluff. Stop worrying about it and stop spreading their propaganda. Spreading fear of nukes is spreading Russia’s message. Please use your brain and stop fearing it. It’s not worth considering.