Too many users abused unlimited Dropbox plans, so they’re getting limits::Some people have taken “as much space as you need” too literally.

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    You can’t abuse something that has no limit. Stop calling things unlimited and then blaming users when they are not.

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      I read somewhere about someone who took a zip file, copied it and zipped it with the copy over and over again until the file size ballooned to petabytes. I would consider that sort of pointless use of storage to be abuse.

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        Then put an * and say that there are a couple well documented exceptions, like zip bombing or don’t call it unlimited and call it up to 100TB for x dollars.

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      Sure you can, they did it here. All you can eat buffet doesn’t mean I should take all the crab legs every time they bring out a new tray.

      You either get it or you don’t. But these people who abuse and exploit things are why we will never have nice things

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          Why, you know there isn’t mythical endless and free source of crab legs right?

          Nobody should reasonably think there is. “Endless” is advertising. You’re suppose to still respect that its a business and that other people will want some as well.

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            Why, you know there isn’t mythical endless and free source of crab legs right?

            If there’s not then they have no business selling an unlimited supply of it.

            Nobody should reasonably think there is. “Endless” is advertising.

            Where I’m from services should be as advertised, legally so.

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              It’s was unlimited. People uploaded whatever they wanted. The business had to reassess because these gluttonous people took it too far and so the service ended.

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                In what world are “unlimited” and “all you can eat” synonymous with “too far”?

                “Too far” implies a definite limit, which is the antonym of unlimited and all you can eat, regardless of the business’s ability to sustain it. If there is a limit, don’t advertise it as unlimited or all you can eat that’s false advertisement.

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                    In the marketing department apparently.

                    Companies should stop saying unlimited if we all agree nothing is unlimited, don’t you think?

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                    That’s kind of the point: Companies shouldn’t be allowed to advertise anything as unlimited when it is, in fact, not.

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                    In what world do Nigerian princes email random people and offer to send them millions of dollars? Is it ok to scam old people and idiots because they should know better?

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                No, if it was unlimited, I should be able to pipe /dev/urandom to it for fun if that’s what I choose to do. What’s this about “gluttony”? They sold the service as that.

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                  You can do it doesn’t mean you should which is my point. I can leave trash in a theater because they offer a service where workers clean it up. Doesn’t mean I should even though it’d advertised as part of the theater experience.

                  I’d go so far to say that we’re dealing with a culture of people who are in capable of self regulating and that is why so many things are worse for people today. Just because its offered as a service shouldn’t mean I push its limits regardless of the gimmick used to advertise it.

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                    If the theater specifically advertised itself as a place where you could leave as much trash as you wanted, then yes, that would make it reasonable to do.

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                The business advertised something to differentiate itself from the free market, it’s not the free markets fault if the business cannot sustain what it advertised

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            Yea but all you can eat buffets have a clear limit: The stomach size of the guests. It’s not an unlimited dinner. It’s specifically limited to the amount you can eat. (Besides that, a lot of all you can eat places have a time limit of an hour or sth).

            If dropbox or google offer unlimited storage, then it’s only reasonable to use that storage. After all, that’s what you signed up for. It’s not abuse if they tell me it’s okay beforehand. As long as the terms of service don’t specify a limit, there is none. And if the terms of service do specify a limit, then unlimited is false advertising. If they don’t want you to use as much data as you like, they should have called it the 20TB plan or whatever they see as reasonable.

            A way to offer unlimited storage but “cripple” it enough, so users won’t fill your server quicker than you‘d like, would be to only allow a certain size of uploads per month. So you have unlimited storage but you can only upload, say, a 100GB a month. That way, it‘d take almost a year to fill up a Terabyte and you can still claim unlimited storage. That would of course also cause backlash but you could technically still offer unlimited storage.

            • Touching_Grass@lemmy.world
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              Yes all that works and better. It still shouldn’t change that I should also recognize that taking a service to its limits would cause me and others to lose it.

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                  And that’s not reasonable to anybody who is going to upload 20TB. Every party involved knew what would happen

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                    Why do you get to decide what is reasonable? I could see pro videographers shooting in 4k easily hitting that mark just doing their job. You’re acting like this was a case of trolls ruining it for normal people when you have literally zero evidence that it wasn’t people just using it how they were told it could be used. If you have bad actors abusing your system, the solution is to remove the bad actors, not punish everyone else for thinking you weren’t lying.

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          Calling unlimited shouldn’t mean that people upload things that are not reasonable. The issue here isn’t calling it unlimited because a reasonable person gets that its a gimmick that will have limits. Pushing it to that limit is the problem.

          I feel anyone should assume there are limits because there is nothing in this universe that is unlimited.

          I can reason what it actually means and that there is a point I would be abusing the system.

          The amount of cool things I have lost out on because another person abused a system might be close to unlimited. It gets tiring after a while. Anyone remember steam sales before they were forced to offer refunds and people started to abuse that.

          Id rather not have guard rails everywhere in life to stop me from being abusive. But abusive people exist and force the rest of us to live with the consequences of their actions

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            What is not reasonable then? Everyone would have their own ideas of what is reasonable. Why advertise anything as unlimited when it is not? Having a limit in their advert let’s people know what they can use rather then being told randomly at some point that they have had too much.

            Advertisements should not lie about the product. They do it to get more sales, and then complain when it gets abused. You cannot have it both ways.

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              Its gone now right. They had unlimited because these people were able to upload their crap. Now its gone because of these people. So it was unlimited up until these users forced them to reconsider.

              We all should self regulate. Like at the buffet, there are good reasons why I shouldn’t take an entire tray to the table. Its like how some people leave garbage in the theatre because its giving the cleaners jobs. Just because there’s a way for me to justify an abuse doesn’t change that its an abuse of a service being offered. The more we lean on the side of people who abuse systems the worse off we all are

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                how is good is the dropbox boot for you to keeping licking it?

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        Unlimited is unlimited. It’s what was advertised. I am sorry Dropbox failed to look up the word before using it in marketing. The customers are using it as the advertising said it could be. Not the fault of the customer for using to product as intended.

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        Yarrr…tis not a man. Tis a remorseless eating machine!

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            Then you know full well that just because they shouldn’t take all the crab legs doesn’t mean they don’t/won’t take them all. If I go for crab legs and none are available, I’ll blame Mandarin and give them a crappy review. People will be people. Can’t blame them.

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              You can blame them. That’s the point. Its the “customer is always right” culture thats the problem. Anyone should blame the individual who takes all the condiment’s at the fast food restaurant causing the store to start charging. Just like we can blame the people who forced the company to take this service away from us.

              Now we all need to pay more for less because these people.

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                The sad thing is that the full quote is “The customer is always right IN MATTERS OF TASTE”.