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In regards to actors, it’s less their actions in a movie and how they carry themselves. Desdpool is actually a good example. Ask friends and family if they think Ryan Reynolds is a good person or not and why. For me the answer is simple, I have no idea mainly because I have never met him.

i suppose that makes sense. But that would be pretty weird. Especially when you consider how movies tend to be, either way i would assume that reynolds is probably a decent person, as i do for most people. Perhaps that’s a bias in itself, but meh.

I agree with your comparison between Hasan and Destiny, although I’m not sure if Destiny has really figured out a repeatable process others could follow.

post election stream he has been working towards doing things to increase reach within the left/liberal sphere of things. So it sounds like he has some things in the works for that, will be interesting to see where it goes. Hasan naturally has been hating on destiny more frequently now, lol.

I’m also concerned that the bully and shame technique will just cause defensiveness rather than a change in perspective. I’m essentially of the opposite perspective though, people need to be able to tolerate being around others with vastly different views without getting aggressive or defensive.

maybe, but then the problem is the same one we have now with republicans. If you’re good faith, and very tolerant, the republicans will abuse it to no end, until they get what the want, which is the problem we have now, so you have to be very careful, or fight fire with fire, because there isn’t really a good solution to stopping all the incessant bullshit they spread constantly.

For me personally it depends on the person, and the topics, but there’s a point where you’ve gone too far, and you’re actually delusional, and you should be bullied for it. Or institutionalized, i guess, but that will never happen lmao.

A somewhat absurd example of this is that I think that Israel and Palestine will only ever be peaceful if they accept living in the same country together under equal rights. A one country solution so to speak.

yeah, that ones a hard problem, i honestly have no idea how it’s going to be solved, a two country solution seems like the most simple and direct solution to me, with internationally recognized borders. A one state would be nice, but i feel like it’s very theoretical, i don’t know if either party would agree to that.

Opinions can be worth a lot these days though, thats why people will offer them up to begin with. I agree it should be far more common to say, “I barely know anything about this, so I have no opinion”, but how do you incentivize that socially.

this is a hard problem, but theres a lot of research on education and incentivization, the simple answer is to bully and belittle people who blatantly spew falsehoods and baseless opinions, and to prop up people who provide nuance and indepth conversation.

The alternative would be incentivizing this sort of stuff in the media, and the social landscape, which is more ambiguous, but possible. Shit like hasan on twitch would be a bad example of this, other creators like destiny who often garner a lot of criticism from his own viewer-base is a much better example of this. (granted destiny is a quite a bit edgier, but then again hasan spreads terrorist propaganda so eh)

of course it also needs to be socially acceptable for people to retract false statements, or inaccurate statements as well. This is less of a problem, but it also needs to be ok to be wrong, as long as you stop being wrong. That’s probably the biggest one, people need to learn how to get over hate boners. The left is REALLY bad at this, at least right now, i think. The right never even tries this to be fair, so they don’t get a grade at all lol.

Noone becomes accepted/promoted/famous by admitting they dont know something, but you can do all of those things by putting out half-baked opinions.

this is true, but you also don’t need to say that you know nothing, you just need to properly hedge things, and bring your knowledge and understanding, invite more knowledge and understanding, and promote discussion and conversation around these topics. I think it’s more important to talk about things, than it is to care about things, in that aspect.

People often believe they are exactly the same on screen as in real life, despite them telling you they are actors

i really hope they don’t because that’s pretty scary if they do. Imagine seeing a coworker, who you don’t hang out with, and then just thinking “they must only exist within this space of work” it’s the meme of “kids think teachers live at school”

i just don’t really see anybody watching deadpool, and thinking that the actor is unironically a murderer, though im sure that’s not what you mean, i guess i just don’t fully understand it lol.

Nobody operates on facts alone.

this is true, and i appropriately hedge my positions based on this, you can’t make a perfectly accurate statement unless you have 100% of the relevant knowledge, and you won’t so you just don’t. It’s that simple.

As for sources, it’s not hard to find reliable sources, you just need to be able to dig around a bit. Scientific research as much as republicans hate on it, still give me faith in humanity so.

Quite a lot of people just say fuck it, if its all varying degrees of shit, I’m not going to listen to any of it.

this is the problem, people either need to stop doing this, or they need to hedge no opinions at all, i have a couple posts about “people caring too much” and there are many useless arguments i’ve had over this kind of thing, if people would just, stop caring about most things, it would solve most of these problems, unfortunately people like caring about useless things.

We still haven’t even figured out how to refute religion conclusively, for example. Juries still out on whether religion is fantasy or actual reality, whether we think thats ridiculous or not.

yeah, and this is actually a really good argument for what we’re engaging in. It shows that we hedge properly, and that we will concede if we need to, given appropriate information. The problem is that nobody likes to talk like this, and nobody likes to listen to people talking like this.

More people just need to start doing this, it’s that simple.

the ones who prospered were the most aggressive ones, even conquering the whole world by force, it’s a survivorship bias situation.

this is my fundamental gripe with the problem, yes it’s technically a survivorship bias, but how do you remove it, that’s the hard question.

If 10 people in a group agree to leave 10,000 USD on a table, such that after 20 minutes, they can all split it amongst themselves, and then turn off the lights in the room and plug their ears in the meantime, someone if not multiple people are going to try and take it all for themselves.

Evolution has fundamentally programmed in a form of survivorship bias within basically every species. I don’t think you can separate it unfortunately.

not every group of humans is aggressive, but those eventually get conquered by the agressive ones, military power always ends up winning.

exactly.

It’s unscientific to say that any country, given the chance, would do the same as the europeans or the US empire did to the world.

i wouldn’t say that they would explicitly, but i would argue that being in a position of that much power, over that much of the world, in that much of a volatile position, there is a very high likelihood that they would influence some amount of the world, in a similar manner.

At least the Chinese century will prove or disprove this theory, given it’s the first significant power shift in the last 500 years, let’s see if they will be so brutal as the US and its allies (you know who) are to the world.

if we’re talking about modern day china, they already do a lot of power projection in the sea, illegally, same in the air. I don’t know if they’re doing any predatory lending to other countries, but that could very well change in the future, so we can’t say anything about it now. It’s highly likely that china at least wants other countries to be dependent on themselves at the minimum, which i would argue is a form of this power projection.

They are 100% in a position to do things that are more predatory, time will tell, i predict they will, it’s inevitable, but i could be wrong. Either that or china itself implodes before we get to that point, so who knows.

personally i know nothing about their military presence outside of the previously mentioned stuff. So i can’t really say anything about it, but there’s probably at least one bad thing they’ve done. Again, time will tell.

possibly, but i think it’s a sort of fundamental problem. I would be curious if history/anthropology has any sort of knowledge on societies that didn’t have a hierarchical power structure within itself. But i’m guessing it’s very uncommon, if not unheard of.

If humans could do a communal governance structure effectively, one would think it would have already been tried, and successfully implemented.

Democracy is probably the closest thing we’ve ever had, but it’s still not perfect.

I’m sure theres also a lot of psych and socio research on this as well.

there’s also the question of whether it’s even possible to have a communal government structure in the first place, the world is incredibly complex, and politics is even more complex, doing things correctly is very hard.

TL;DR i don’t think it’s possible, and i’m not sure it ever will, judging by how humans behave.

true, being rude to other people is bad. We should stop being rude and criminalize it.

wait…

anti imperialist/colonial supporters when they find out that the entire timeline of human history is conquest, colonialism, and imperialism.

good point, i would never want to be cringe on the internet, especially with a name like the one that i have.

propaganda isn’t truth either.

Republican propaganda just happens to be lies 99% of the time. And it works. Very very well. Propaganda outside of that is literally just shit like rosie the riveter. In which case it’s not really damaging. Otherwise it would be a lie, because it would be factually untrue, and therefore damaging.

The propaganda you are alluding to here is people patting themselves on the back, a little bit too generously. The propaganda i am referring to is on the same level of the nazi propaganda machine.

shocking, really.

In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.

you should be, yes, but you have no claims, and no verifiable evidence for any claim you make.

Unfortunately i am just a better human than you. Assuming that i am a human, of course.

listen bro lowering inflation wasn’t my idea lmao.

find me ANY credible examples of it being propaganda. I’ll wait.

With fox news i can at least point to the dominion case, which is clear evidence of propaganda, and most right wing news sources parroting the same debunked, factually untrue claims.

yes yes very funny, please return and comment when you have an actual thought to post here instead of just bloatposting.

Why? He did literally nothing to address it.

What the fuck are you supposed to do? Unprint money???

???

the fed is an independent agency, just look at trumps previous term. He couldn’t get them to do what he wanted, even with appointing a guy he liked.

The president may not have the legal authority to dismiss a chairman before the end of a term, although this assumption has never been tested in court.

also this.

Price controls? Ronald Reagan?

price controls may have worked. It’s hard to say unless you look at the revenue streams and accounting directly. But then you wouldn’t need price controls either so…

Ronald Reagan had some pretty stupid economic policy. Notably removing legislation that would’ve prevented the 2008 financial crisis. But that doesn’t count apparently.

not propaganda wings. The left is too critical of itself. CNN is owned by a right winger, WaPo is owned by bezos. The Atlantic i have no idea, that might not even be US based.

So if neither is asking for my vote or bringing anything i want, why would I show up?

because if you dont vote, you are actively pushing for the party that “repels” you, to be in power.

The truth is that they failed sure, but then the truth is ALSO that you failed as well. You cannot simply ascribe all the blame to one party, especially in an environment as dynamic as today.

If you don’t understand the philosophical implications here, or just philosophy more broadly, go play the trolley game, and come back to me.

you sort of inherently have to define yourself under fascism, in a system with fascists, otherwise you are under control of the fascists. Because they can do your game better than you can, because they started first. So you really don’t have many options other than holding either, the power, or the intellectual upperhand, which isn’t even a guarantee either. Since again, reality doesn’t matter to fascists.

People who are in an excited emotional state just aren’t going to do well thinking that stuff through.

i suppose so, but it literally only takes one “is this actually true?” to check to see if it’s true. If people are as “skeptical” as they claim to be about mainstream media, i fail to see how they don’t understand that google exists and is useful in the 21st century. Though to be fair, it’s harder to use now.

I’m definitely not immune to it either, but i operate on a strictly factual basis, so it’s really hard for me to get caught up in propaganda.

oh of course the .ml user is entirely uneducated on this topic, surprising frankly.