People break laws all the time. That doesnt mean the gov supports them.

You may enjoy learning about the actual nuance here

https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/

I agree. For instance, it should be secured in law that you can train AI on anything, to avoid frivolous discussions like this.

Output is what should be moderated by law.

If it’s not a violation of copyright then this is a non-issue. You don’t need permission to read books.

Yet Israeli settlers are free to harass Palestinians and force them from their homes without consequence

That’s simply not true

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-08/ty-article/.premium/second-west-bank-settler-suspected-of-attacking-palestinians-to-be-held-without-trial/0000018c-49af-d6bd-a1ad-7bff81930000

Meanwhile Hamas literally has in their original charter that the reason they exist was to form an Islamic state, resist PA secularism, and fight a two state solution, because their goal was genocide of Israel.

at their expense

How?

Why do you have free reign to do the same?

AIs don’t learn as a human would, and comparisons can’t be made between the learning processes.

I think you’re going to have a hard time proving a financial distinction between them

There’s a third solution you’re overlooking.

3: OpenAI (or other) wins a judgment that AI content is not inherently a violation of copyright regardless of materials it is trained upon.

Hamas only exists because peaceful diplomacy with Israel was successful, and leading to a secular Palestinian state and a two state solution.

As this wasn’t a terrorist attack, a closer analogue is a recent war.

One estimate puts civilian casualties in the Battle of Mosul at around 40,000

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/why-the-human-toll-of-the-battle-for-mosul-may-never-be-known

strong disagree on that one lol

Do you condemn Israel for its very real and ongoing genocide

If this were real, sure

But there will be Gazans in 2025, 2030, etc. ideally in their own state.

Still running from the whole teardown eh

We are specifically talking about the formation of Hamas in this conversation. I was rebutting your points.

Funny you try to skim past that.

One of us certainly believes propaganda.

If they were committing genocide, sure.

Cool. I’m down with that.

No minimum parking, no height limit, no maximum FAR, no maximum unit count.

yeah get rid of these next and you’re set.

It’s gonna take a lot of work, man. The regulatory capture here is extreme.

Everyone wants to point to capitalism for this, but this is what happens when you kneecap any economic system. That’s why it’s all over the world.

Dude there is a universe worth of difference between eating at a restaurant and being asked to tip like, a good truck or some shit.

Baristas post on their social media about giving non-tippers decaf all the time.

I’m completely unaware of this, and this is stupid.

You tip people who live on tips for a living, and in places of high, but not elite, quality.

Hamas was literally formed as a reaction to the continued illegal occupation of Palestinian territories

Hamas was literally formed because the Palestinian government was becoming too secular and was too interested in peace with Israel.

Here is an interview, with quotes, and details, with a literal expert on th subject who is also Pro-Palestinian.

How Hamas got elected:

KEAR: The key Fatah people - most of Fatah are living in the diaspora. They’re the ones living in the four-story houses, driving around in their gold Mercedes. They’re not experiencing the day-to-day privations of the occupation, whereas Hamas - they’re a product of the occupation. You can see them walking in the streets. You can see them at the market. People may not necessarily agree with their narrative, with the - as an Islamist movement. They get a lot of respect for the fact that they live amongst the community.

ARABLOUEI: As the first intifada went on, many Palestinians became more and more frustrated not only with the occupation but with the PLO/Fatah as it attempted to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel.

ELGINDY: The reality was that Fatah and some of the smaller parties were interested in joining a peace process that would result in a compromise situation of a West Bank and Gaza state.

KEAR: And certainly by this stage, 1987, 20 years of occupation - what have the PLO done? When I say PLO, what has Fatah done? Nothing, virtually. We’ve been fighting for 20 years, resisting for 20 years. Nothing has changed. In fact, it’s actually gotten worse, where we are further away from an independent state than we’ve ever been before.

Israel did not become aggressive to Hamas until after they began terrorist activities.

BACONI: “Hamas Contained: The Rise And Pacification Of Palestinian Resistance.” When Hamas was established out of that structure and it began to engage in resistance activities…

ARABLOUEI: Like attacks on military posts and abducting Israeli soldiers.

BACONI: …Immediately, Israel’s approach to dealing with Hamas changed, and it stopped being one of approval. It started being an antagonistic relationship because obviously now it’s a resistance party.

HACHAM: In retrospective, I think this was - I call it the original sin of the Israeli authorities - Israeli security authorities that did not understand that period of time what can be developed of this innocent organization movement, al-Mujama al-Islamiya.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1198908227#:~:text=ARABLOUEI%3A So Sheikh Yassin and,Islamist ideology created the organization.

This frustration and aggression is also detailed in the original Hamas charter

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

You don’t have to agree with Israel’s government, response, or how this war is being prosecuted, to understand that

1: Hamas is an islamic terror organization that usurped a government and denies democracy to millions

2: Hamas cannot and will not back down, because Jihad is their sole purpose for existing

3: A two state solution was one-track, and is always infinitely more possible with any other Palestinian leadership.

Support for Hamas is always wrong. Gazans who support Hamas today are wrong, but they do not deserve to be killed or to suffer as they have been.

I firmly believe everyone even emotionally aligning with Hamas has some very serious issues. I never condoned the killing of any civilian, and never will.

Disgust with Hamas’s atrocities does not imply that I support the deaths of civilians in any way.

Hamas has no interest in governing responsibly.