Ah okay, we have different priorities that I didn’t initially consider, my bad. I personally no longer think it’s worth bothering trying to manage the right’s views. However, I do organizing in youth (~18-24) spaces and see a lot of people saying what boils down to “I want to organize, but keep to myself because what if I say something wrong and get canceled?” and it frustrates me since they regularly quote the phrase “tone policing” as they say it. It’s probably like a sleeper activation phrase to me at this point and I got annoyed.

There needs to be a diversity of tactics, so even though I won’t do it, I hope you and yours can successfully stop more people from falling into this trap.

I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.

Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.

I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)

US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).

It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.

Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals

All 3 are based off denying people bodily and relationship autonomy, so really you repeat yourself here

There are no minors holding EU office, anything being done in the name of “kid-friendliness” is actually advertiser-friendly, minors are a convenient scapegoat with basically no political power who can be leveraged to curtail everyone’s rights

Reminder that it’s a news org’s job to find and report facts, instead of writing more about the new nonsense coming out of the mouths of science deniers. Obviously this is logistically impossible and just another “THEY ALMOST HAVE NUKES!!” excuse to bomb Iranians ffs

A single Lemmy user does not represent a massive movement involving millions of people and you know it.

You don’t want to have proof, you want to slander People Who Do Things by saying that random internet users are the reason for American Fascism, instead of acknowledging that: a) most Palestinian activists voted for Harris (you can see statistics on this, instead of the anecdotes you claim as “proof”) b) like most campaigns, the Harris campaign lost (to an idiot fascist, no less!) because it failed to convince the majority of voters (who aren’t activists at all, but politically apathetic) to vote for it.

You do not care, though, you want to scapegoat and blame anyone except for your favorite genocidal politicians and fascists for the current state of the US, despite the fact this has been building for decades. You are someone who would’ve comfortably ignored most problems under Harris, and are more offended that you might be personally affected by oppression this time, instead of reading about it on the news and shrugging. This is fine; what is not fine is blaming people who decried such oppression then and now, who are far more serious about handling fascism than you, someone who thinks resistance is when you cry about losing useless neoliberal #1000 (nowhere to be seen right now, BTW) on the internet instead of Doing Things.

You claim to care about “echoing MAGA bullshit” but echo their lack of giving a shit for people who are suffering under Your Team. To say there are Palestine supporters who have bad ideas is like saying there are liberals who have bad ideas! Wow, some people in these massive movements are dumb!? My goodness, clearly they are all responsible for Trump! Time to not reflect on the systems I support whatsoever!

You have, interestingly enough, searched for a random Lemmy user that neither I nor you can verify as anyone at all, and decided they are the Avatar of Palestinian Activists™. If I wanted to waste your time I could easily find a Harris deadend account on any website who says heinous things and ask why they are clearly Literally You.

Meanwhile, you have neglected to mention how the comment of “where did the activists go??” is stupid and easily disproven by existing in reality. Why did you do this?

People who want a free Palestine don’t and have never supported Trump, I don’t know why liberals keep parroting this.

Also “where are they” in the anti-ICE actions and similar movements (plenty in No Kings), you can easily see Palestine flags and the like if you actually paid attention to local movements

Edgy TV shows don’t affect my beliefs that slurs are bad, and they shouldn’t affect yours either.

Welcome to Lemmy but we don’t use slurs here. The problem with CEOs isn’t that they have unspecified mental illnesses it’s that they’re evil pieces of shit

YouTubers get a constantly-decreasing cut of money from their own media, occasional donations to Patreons and buying some merch likely give them far more money than months of ad-watching.

This is a good idea. Maybe as small strips to sew onto clothes as well? Most of these camera systems target the face, body size and shape, and gait.

Referring to the clothes specifically, if you’re wearing lots of privacy-protecting gear and nobody around you is, it will have the opposite effect and you will be targeted.

It might be better to wear less obvious stuff like the big hoodie + facemask combo at first, and convince other protestors to wear smarter clothes over time, instead of immediately turning up in reflexive wear.

Yeah I fully agree with this, I just got heated because the other guy seemed to imply that anarchism was inherently doomed because humanity is naturally violent or whatever, it’s a horribly nihilistic worldview.

I’m not an anarchist, something that was obvious from how I spoke about them like an outsider, but this is such a disingenuous comment I’m gonna ignore that bit.

You do not care about reality – this is made obvious from your belief that property laws are some sort of sane and natural order, instead of being hackneyed together by generations of rich landowners with their own short-sighted, trite, and nonsensical goals. The violence committed by these freaks for more oil or sharecropping land or some other garbage is actually the opposite of normal humanity, unless you live somewhere where your neighbors shoot each other because they were bored and wanted a second house.

You see, within civilization, humans generally share spaces. There are no borders in the household or passport stations in the farmers’ market. Anarchism is the belief that this can be expanded all the way to the international level; the comparatively simpler idea expressed by this celebrity is that there shouldn’t be a military dedicated to attacking random people who are just trying to live in society because they’re “illegal”, especially considering this society is already built on attacking random people and the attackers, by their own definitions, are actually already here illegally. The fact that this simple slogan pisses you off is a genuinely fascinating concept and makes me think you aren’t too happy to abide by the social contract.

“No-one is illegal on stolen land” is a staunchly pro-immigration, anti-colonial, and anti-borders statement made by people in anarchist-adjacent circles. You’re arguing about laws and legal processes that people with this sentiment hate and seek to abolish. Everything you’ve stated here is correct, but in this context it doesn’t matter, isn’t it pedantic?

Oh don’t worry, I’m under no delusion it’s some sort of leftist utopia, it’s just that Manitoba could be FAR worse. Please keep fighting for those rights regardless of whatever laws are in place, don’t just assume it’s all settled.

I’m in Texas and have been looking into Manitoba, and can assure you based on their parties alone that it’s “only right-wing in the context of Canada” 100%.

I have no idea what adding Minnesota would do though, it would completely change politics in the area even if it was its own province, never mind the US actually allowing that to happen.

Protests are basically giant rallies of people in your area who are motivated by similar grievances as you. The protests by themselves don’t do much but you can discourse and connect with other people who attend them.