I voted for Harris, but obviously that didn’t work out, did it? If you honestly think republicans would go back to the center after trump is gone then you don’t understand republicans.

Wasn’t this the administration bragging about approving a record number of fracking permits?

You mean the speed up in the past year that happened under the democrats? Thanks for proving my point.

That was my point, the illusion of choice. While people are fiercely arguing over voting for one of the two parties, both parties are moving to the right. Now we’re at the point where both agree to supporting genocide. We’ve lost the plot here.

Always responding with “republicans are worse” does nothing except to shut down conversation of the complicity of democrats in all of this. It’s like pointing at a homeless person in the US and saying “well it could be worse, they could be homeless in a war-torn country”. It locks down the conversation to the two choice fallacy and blocks any conversation on avenues for that real change you are referencing. These voters are misguided, but it’s telling that democrats are so shit that these people thought a trump administration could offer anything different.

How do you measure this “speed up”? What you consider a speed up could’ve simply been the progression of the campaign which would’ve occurred under democrats as well. Either way the end result is the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Do you think starving them all to death is better than bombing them all to death just because it’s slower?

I would get into fierce arguments on the internet to insist that we must vote for the lesser of two evils every election so that we get that dictatorship a little later instead of right now.

You’re making a pointless argument. Things can always get worse. Name anything that could be done and I’ll tell you how it could be made worse. All you’re doing is distracting from the fact that both democrats and republicans are supporting a genocide and it’s not going to stop until Palestine does not exist anymore. The end result is the fucking same and you’re here arguing over pointless technicalities as if they mean anything. Get a clue.

It’s funny that you accuse me of being bad at abstract thinking when you couldn’t understand the simple point I was making that just like the US has the capabilities to make things worse, they also have the capabilities to make things better, which biden has not used at all. He has pledged billions of dollars in weapons and permitted any actions that israel takes. Apparently the idea of things actually getting better just does not compute in your mind. This nicely sums up everything wrong with the democratic party and why they’re not actually opposition but rather a tag team partner with republicans. The genocide of the Palestinian people will proceed regardless of which party is in power.

You’re so busy hammering the point that you’d rather eat shit with a kernel of corn in it because at least there is corn in there, but you’re still eating shit.

I’m well aware of the US’s capabilities, but apparently biden isn’t because he bent over for a fascist in a foreign country to supply their campaign of genocide with billions of dollars in weapons. I dunno, maybe biden enjoys being bibi’s little bitch, but he certainly didn’t do anything to impede the genocide.

I would like you to use your capabilities and read the article I posted. Here it is again in case you missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden

Please read that and tell me how the democratic party would have been different over the next four years.

This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and ‘to the hilt’ is an English idiom which means ‘as much as possible’.

This may be shocking, but biden’s support for the genocide is already “to the hilt”. Before you try to explain English to me, try to understand the reality of the situation. The leadership of both parties fully and unconditionally support israel. Things will absolutely get worse because the genocide is going to proceed regardless of which party is in charge. Your tired harm reduction argument falls apart when you understand what is actually happening.

Here, have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden

I love how you’re getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the “less harm” that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.

Kamela wanted a ceasefire

So did biden, reportedly.

As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less. What’s really fucked up is you thinking I’m doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.

Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))

Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn’t be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.

Hoping this results in real negative consequences for once in musk’s life.

Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with “other guy worse”? You’re just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they’re actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.

The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration’s actions have not shown that to be the case.

You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.

There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is “because the republicans are worse”.

More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.