• hate2bme@lemmy.world
      6310·
      1 month ago

      I voted for him but hate how he talked shit about the Patriot act overstepping then extended it and took away even more of our rights.

      • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world
        932·
        1 month ago

        Congress extended it. Obama simply didn’t veto it. Perhaps that makes him complicit but it sailed through the Senate in a 67-32 vote which is likely to never happen ever again and a veto would only get overridden by Congress, which makes a President appear weak.

      • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
        15·
        1 month ago

        I wish a politician ‘told us how it is’ by relaying to us how it actually is. Like, the power structure and the way shit gets accomplished by government. We have no clue. People running for office have a jist of a clue. Those in power are burdened by the system. I wish we knew more about the system.

        • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 month ago

          the way shit gets accomplished by government

          Well, largely, it doesn’t. And the reason for that is because few people in the US government right now know how to operate a government.

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          1 month ago

          I’m fine with it, but only because those specific Americans were assholes and weren’t in a place they could be taken for trial.

          I wouldn’t mind a trial in absentia, but I also understand time was a concern.

          Before you say ‘oh yeah, what about others in the future!?!?’, everyone got that pissed over a few that pretty clearly deserved it, I’m not too worried about a potus drone striking random people at Walmart just yet.

            • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
              22·
              1 month ago

              I remember how Michael Moore disappeared as soon as Obama was elected. Obama increased drone strikes, bombed weddings schools and hospitals including a doctors without borders hospital, kept gitmo open, extended and expanded domestic surveillance. All the stuff Michael Moore was writing books and making movies about during the Bush admin were apparently no longer a problem now that a Democrat was doing them. Really changed my perspective.

              • DancingBear@midwest.social
                23·
                1 month ago

                Obama did some good things. But mainstream democrats are still right of center on the political spectrum and are still beholden to their corporate donors.

                The downvotes are funny as it is people downvoting facts.

                I wish Obama was as progressive as his speeches suggested he was, but alas. He was able to pass a healthcare plan, albeit a neoliberal republican healthcare plan.

                Obama would probably be a decent Supreme Court justice, he has some good ideas and knows law I believe. But I don’t know if he would do the right thing and overturn citizens united

                I would buy Obama a beer, Kamala and walz and Biden for sure. I don’t think I would want to be in the same room with him, Trump I mean

                • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  1 month ago

                  I would have accepted a centrist if he had done anything at all to dial back bushs aggressive attacks on our civil liberties and the people of the Middle East. He didn’t, in a lot of ways he ramped them up. Hope and change my ass. Fuck Obama.

    • DancingBear@midwest.social
      217·
      1 month ago

      I voted for him both times, he’s a really good speaker. Unfortunately, he’s a neoliberal corporate democrat just like all the others.

        • DancingBear@midwest.social
          21·
          1 month ago

          ACA is the republican neoliberal healthcare plan yo

          Or at least it was lol, once Obama got it passed and the republicans started literally speaking out against their own plan

          A similar thing happened to Biden, where he embraced the republican immigration plan but then the republicans changed their mind and voted against their own plan lol

    • tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 month ago

      I miss sanity in politics.

      Was shit perfect? Fuck no, but there was comfort in appearance of civilized debate. You could disagree with a politician, family member, or even stranger without calling their entire world view into question. I can remember when we agreed on the facts, and just disagreed on whose solution was best to fix the problem.

      I’m too old for this shit.