• NoiseColor @lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I understand you are hurt and angry.

    But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.

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      3 days ago

      Most people have the concern that the Trump concept is being copied to their country’s politics now.

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        3 days ago

        No. Not at all. Most people don’t think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, … They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.

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      3 days ago

      I understand you are hurt and angry.

      That’s ad hominem.

      But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world

      That doesn’t change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.

      You are in your own bubble

      OK, and which bubble is that?
      Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT’s being in a bubble.

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        23 hours ago

        I don’t have any skin in this game but just want to point out that “I understand you are hurt and angry” is an attempt to empathize with you, and not an ad hominem fallacy.

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          13 hours ago

          He/She doesn’t understand anything, he/she doesn’t know me.

          If the comment was along the lines of: I understand IF you are hurt and angry, it would be different and not presumptuous. But that he continues with: “But you have to understand…” Like he is talking to a child, confirms the interpretation of an ad hominem IMO."

          But thanks for pointing out a possibly poorly worded good intention. But the way he wrote it, it looks like an ad hominem to me.

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            11 hours ago

            You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”

            https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html

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              A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person

              Which is EXACTLY what he did. And I even explained that in my previous post.

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                1 hour ago

                Ok buddy, you only quoted part of what I said. Did you even read the post I linked to? You’re wrong; it’s cool though, we all make mistakes. Accept it and move on.

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        3 days ago

        I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.

        Good bye.

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          3 days ago

          I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
          I’m still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?