Summary
France’s shocking “Affaire Mazan” trial is nearing its conclusion, with 51 men, including Dominique Pelicot, accused of raping his drugged, unconscious wife, Gisèle, between 2011 and 2020.
Dominique admitted to orchestrating the assaults, recruiting men online, and recording the crimes. While some defendants deny knowing she was unconscious, Dominique claims they were fully aware.
Gisèle waived her anonymity to inspire survivors and highlight issues like chemical submission.
The case has sparked national debates on consent and rape laws, with groups advocating legal reforms to align with societal views on consent.
Some defendants deny knowing she was unconscious?!
For anyone that doesn’t know. Don’t ever have sexual contact with another person without explicit consent from that other person. That consent cannot be given by someone else. Consent can be revoked at any moment, yes even while having sex. (of course this applies to adults. Underage people cannot ever give consent no matter what “God”, culture, or laws say.)
One guy’s defense was “I thought she was dead”.
Is that actually true or are you just doing a bit?
Unfortunately true
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/gisele-pelicot-rape-trial-accused-dead-france-mknqsjq96
‘i thought she looked dead’ is close enough, I’ll take it… What an absolutely foul specimen.
My only question is how to best handle children having sex with each other. Do you ban it / try to prevent it from happening at all? Do you set limits on how different they can be in age? Is there an even younger age when it’s never ok but it’s ok if they’re both older AND of similar enough age? Is age not even the right way to do it and more importantly is there a better way? Should you have to pass a class where you can prove you know how to apply a condom and obtain consent from others??? I don’t have any good answers to any of these questions but I do think they’re important to ask and talk about. The more common discussion I wind up in is juvenile substance abuse (should you let kids do drugs as long as they’re in your house so you can keep them safe? Are kids who are raised where everybody 14ish and older can have a glass of wine at the dinner table more or less likely to develop alcoholism due to the increased daily presence but decreased taboo?) but this discussion reuses a lot of the same concepts.
You dropped this: out
Thanks.