Bluesky’s moderation team is shit. Recently, their “head of trust and safety” went full Elongated Muskrat and tried to permanently ban a user who was tracking his public data.
Did anyone actually think it would be? It just had to be not Twitter. Mastodon would’ve been awesome but apparently the barrier for entry was more than the average person willing to accept.
Yes a lot of people went away from Mastodon to Bluesky, thinking indeed it was open source and decentralized. Jack Dorsey is selling BlueSky like that. Also various media outlets are saying: “Is Bluesky decentralized? Yes.”
Gonna be real, microblogging is never gonna really work with decentralization. It barely works when centralized. It’s isolating by nature, and only really amplifies the voices that are already the loudest, and the introduction of separate servers and federation delays only make those problems worse.
Yesn’t. Yes we have DNS, which is bad enough. But the internet itself was build to be resistant and distributed. DNS is distributed, but not decentralized. However, decentralized protocols (read BitTorrent protocols, etc.) do exist, and does make it more decentralized. Without the need of DNS.
I’m never doing to trust a single org or group to control a large group of users/people or projects. Never.
Nothing that involves authoritative state of data can be decentralized. Ultimately something is a source of truth. Who decides what the torrent data is? Congratulations, your system is now centralized.
Decentralized systems are anarchist mastubatory fantasy, distributed systems are what runs the world.
You can spin up your own instance to ensure you have a custom username suffix. That’s literally all anyone needs to distinguish themselves from fake accounts. Trusting any org to remain a neutral authority is a mistake and a bigger risk than getting users to agree on an accurate source based on a suffix.
This is a neckbeard dream, and it is why activity pub will never take off.
Grandma ain’t running her own instance, but she can swipe her card and get “grandmahotstuff.com” tied to her ATproto DID.
As long as the did is maintained by a neutral org like let’s encrypt, and icann remains functional, it’s a superior model, as those orgs are now tied to the functioning of the internet itself.
If anyone truly thought this group of techbros that was spearheaded and organized by Jack Dorsey was gonna somehow be different than the previous iterations, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. I mean, they owe millions to Blockchain Capital. Cryptobros. But sure, we just need to keep making more billionaires and then ditching their services after they have enough money to deeply influence politics.
Idiots acting like they’re against people like Musk but they’re just creating another one at a different company.
Dorsey already left Bluesky back to Xitter because he didn’t like their moderation practices. I’m talking about Jay Graber, who literally got their start developing Zcash, a cryptocurrency. Graber is far from a billionaire at the moment.
This tool was designed such that it had, you know, it was a base level protocol. It had a reference app on top. It was designed to be controlled by the people. I think the greatest idea — which we need — is an algorithm store, where you choose how you see all the conversations. But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it.
That was the second moment I thought, uh, nope. This is literally repeating all the mistakes we made as a company. This is not a protocol that’s truly decentralized. It’s another app. It’s another app that’s just kind of following in Twitter’s footsteps, but for a different part of the population.
Everything we wanted around decentralization, everything we wanted in terms of an open source protocol, suddenly became a company with VCs and a board. That’s not what I wanted, that’s not what I intended to help create.
Around the same time, I found Nostr. We don’t know who the leader is, it’s like this anonymous Brazilian. It has no board, no company behind it, no funding. It’s a truly open protocol. The development environment is moving fast. And I gave a bunch of money to them.
Day by day, I learned that this was actually the path. It emerged from something that was not Twitter-driven, it was a reaction to Twitter’s failures, and I thought that was right as well. That’s what I should help, and that’s what I should support.
So I just decided to delete my account on Bluesky, and really focus on Nostr, and funding that to the best of my ability. I asked to get off the board as well, because I just don’t think a protocol needs a board or wants a board. And if it has a board, that’s not the thing that I wanted to help build or wanted to help fund.
But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it.
This bit I don’t get. Even on Lemmy and Mastodon we need moderation tools and arguably the current provisions aren’t fit for purpose. It’s not something that can just be pushed to the individual users and most hobbyists who want to spin up public servers don’t want to be spending their time wading through reports and CSAM. How to provide a safe environment for users is still an unsolved problem in the fediverse so it’s no wonder people drift to corporate controlled servers which say least nominally have the resources to do something about it.
Bluesky’s moderation team is shit. Recently, their “head of trust and safety” went full Elongated Muskrat and tried to permanently ban a user who was tracking his public data.
He was overreacting because the bot publicized that he had clicked like on a porn video.
His ban of the user was an attempt to cover up his mistake and thanks to the Streisand effect now we’ve got screenshots.
It’s pretty freaking sad honestly.
If I did something like that at my job I would be looking for a new job. Not really sure why they haven’t responded or dealt with that in any way.
Told people already it’s not as decentralized as people might believe or has being told to them. I will never join Bluesky.
Did anyone actually think it would be? It just had to be not Twitter. Mastodon would’ve been awesome but apparently the barrier for entry was more than the average person willing to accept.
I assume so. They’ve certainly been trumpeting it enough.
Yes a lot of people went away from Mastodon to Bluesky, thinking indeed it was open source and decentralized. Jack Dorsey is selling BlueSky like that. Also various media outlets are saying: “Is Bluesky decentralized? Yes.”
Gonna be real, microblogging is never gonna really work with decentralization. It barely works when centralized. It’s isolating by nature, and only really amplifies the voices that are already the loudest, and the introduction of separate servers and federation delays only make those problems worse.
Decentralization is is unobtainable. You have to have a source of truth. DNS has shown us the way, everyone else is fucking around.
Gotta have a trusted org to manage identities.
Yesn’t. Yes we have DNS, which is bad enough. But the internet itself was build to be resistant and distributed. DNS is distributed, but not decentralized. However, decentralized protocols (read BitTorrent protocols, etc.) do exist, and does make it more decentralized. Without the need of DNS.
I’m never doing to trust a single org or group to control a large group of users/people or projects. Never.
Nothing that involves authoritative state of data can be decentralized. Ultimately something is a source of truth. Who decides what the torrent data is? Congratulations, your system is now centralized.
Decentralized systems are anarchist mastubatory fantasy, distributed systems are what runs the world.
You can spin up your own instance to ensure you have a custom username suffix. That’s literally all anyone needs to distinguish themselves from fake accounts. Trusting any org to remain a neutral authority is a mistake and a bigger risk than getting users to agree on an accurate source based on a suffix.
This is a neckbeard dream, and it is why activity pub will never take off.
Grandma ain’t running her own instance, but she can swipe her card and get “grandmahotstuff.com” tied to her ATproto DID.
As long as the did is maintained by a neutral org like let’s encrypt, and icann remains functional, it’s a superior model, as those orgs are now tied to the functioning of the internet itself.
Let me guess, you and/or your buddies are the trustworthy ones?
If anyone truly thought this group of techbros that was spearheaded and organized by Jack Dorsey was gonna somehow be different than the previous iterations, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. I mean, they owe millions to Blockchain Capital. Cryptobros. But sure, we just need to keep making more billionaires and then ditching their services after they have enough money to deeply influence politics.
Idiots acting like they’re against people like Musk but they’re just creating another one at a different company.
they’re not creating “another one”. Dorsey is already made and he seems to be immune to whatever is working elon’s intestines.
ps i don’t care a bit about Dorsey either. I just see a difference.
Dorsey already left Bluesky back to Xitter because he didn’t like their moderation practices. I’m talking about Jay Graber, who literally got their start developing Zcash, a cryptocurrency. Graber is far from a billionaire at the moment.
Dorsey went back to Xitter!
Why would he do that 🤦
sorry, ignore my previous comment. This too! I need to read a little on this now. Apparently i missed that move
edit: reading this ☞ https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
this sounds alright, no?
This bit I don’t get. Even on Lemmy and Mastodon we need moderation tools and arguably the current provisions aren’t fit for purpose. It’s not something that can just be pushed to the individual users and most hobbyists who want to spin up public servers don’t want to be spending their time wading through reports and CSAM. How to provide a safe environment for users is still an unsolved problem in the fediverse so it’s no wonder people drift to corporate controlled servers which say least nominally have the resources to do something about it.
No problem, not everyone is up to speed on everything. Here’s some reading material.
Went back to Xitter and started funding Nostr.
https://thedeepdive.ca/jack-dorsey-leaves-bluesky-board-unfollows-almost-everyone-on-x/