I mean they are literally drawing spheres of interest (even using the word) in there on how they’ll divide those countries. And then after the deal, they conquered and subjugated their subjective areas (or tried to, in case of Finland). Your objection to that not being them dividing Europe between them is, not to be insulting, kinda silly.
I mean if anything at least you’re not trying to deny such an agreement, you’re just reading it in a very interesting way. That’s something.
As I said ‘spheres of influence and still having the option of having an independent state in Poland’ sounds a lot less bad than simply handing over Sudetenland.
Complaining about only one and ignoring the worse other one is hypocritical at best.
And imagine blaming the Soviets for going in to countries aligned with nazis.
Like Finland, where you’re probably are from and explains your bias.
Friend, the “independent Polish state” isn’t a serious suggestion of it being independent… It’s discussing something akin to “Independent State of Croatia”, as in a puppet state.
sounds a lot less bad
I guess that’s progress from “didn’t happen”. In any case, I just mentioned that the pact happened. If you want my opinion on other deals made with Nazis, they’re also morally very dubious.
And imagine blaming the Soviets for going in to countries aligned with nazis.
Like Finland, where you’re probably are from and explains your bias.
That’s quite the ex post facto justification. Before and during Winter War it wasn’t Finland but the USSR that was aligned with Nazi Germany (see the pact we discussed). Nazi Germany sold Finland to USSR, after all. Finland was aligned towards UK and France. It was as a result of the war that Finland turned to Nazi Germany (the secret protocols weren’t known at the time) and that Nazi Germany got interested in Finland.
But in any case, I just wanted to point out that the pact between USSR and Nazi-Germany did happen. How bad it is comparatively, I’m sure there’s a fruitful conversation to be had about that, but it’s sorta out of scope on what I was hoping to discuss tbh.
Wow, you’re doing some serious revisionism here.
A non-aggression treaty literally is that, they were enemies and it bought time for Russia to arm itself.
Keep focussing and obsessing on that and misrepresenting it to fit your narrative.
It’s a small detail in the big picture and mostly brought up by the those idiots promoting the laughable horseshoe theory.
Same as how they say nazis were socialist bcs of their name.
In no way could those clear enemies be seen as ‘aligned’ and definitely not from something you imagine and want to see in that pact.
It is the Soviets who went to war with the nazis of Germany and of your fascist country that was most certainly aligned with them, had nazi troops there and fought on their side.
I’m done here
A non-aggression pact can be just that. This one also included additional provisions, such as dividing Poland between them. When you’re carving up Poland together and shaking hands at the pre-set dividing line, it’s not really reaching very far to say the two countries in question are aligned. They were certainly aligned when it came to dividing Poland.
I mean they are literally drawing spheres of interest (even using the word) in there on how they’ll divide those countries. And then after the deal, they conquered and subjugated their subjective areas (or tried to, in case of Finland). Your objection to that not being them dividing Europe between them is, not to be insulting, kinda silly.
I mean if anything at least you’re not trying to deny such an agreement, you’re just reading it in a very interesting way. That’s something.
As I said ‘spheres of influence and still having the option of having an independent state in Poland’ sounds a lot less bad than simply handing over Sudetenland.
Complaining about only one and ignoring the worse other one is hypocritical at best.
And imagine blaming the Soviets for going in to countries aligned with nazis.
Like Finland, where you’re probably are from and explains your bias.
Friend, the “independent Polish state” isn’t a serious suggestion of it being independent… It’s discussing something akin to “Independent State of Croatia”, as in a puppet state.
I guess that’s progress from “didn’t happen”. In any case, I just mentioned that the pact happened. If you want my opinion on other deals made with Nazis, they’re also morally very dubious.
That’s quite the ex post facto justification. Before and during Winter War it wasn’t Finland but the USSR that was aligned with Nazi Germany (see the pact we discussed). Nazi Germany sold Finland to USSR, after all. Finland was aligned towards UK and France. It was as a result of the war that Finland turned to Nazi Germany (the secret protocols weren’t known at the time) and that Nazi Germany got interested in Finland.
But in any case, I just wanted to point out that the pact between USSR and Nazi-Germany did happen. How bad it is comparatively, I’m sure there’s a fruitful conversation to be had about that, but it’s sorta out of scope on what I was hoping to discuss tbh.
Wow, you’re doing some serious revisionism here.
A non-aggression treaty literally is that, they were enemies and it bought time for Russia to arm itself.
Keep focussing and obsessing on that and misrepresenting it to fit your narrative.
It’s a small detail in the big picture and mostly brought up by the those idiots promoting the laughable horseshoe theory.
Same as how they say nazis were socialist bcs of their name.
In no way could those clear enemies be seen as ‘aligned’ and definitely not from something you imagine and want to see in that pact.
It is the Soviets who went to war with the nazis of Germany and of your fascist country that was most certainly aligned with them, had nazi troops there and fought on their side.
I’m done here
A non-aggression pact can be just that. This one also included additional provisions, such as dividing Poland between them. When you’re carving up Poland together and shaking hands at the pre-set dividing line, it’s not really reaching very far to say the two countries in question are aligned. They were certainly aligned when it came to dividing Poland.