China urged calm Sunday in the wake of Hamas’ attack on Israel from Gaza.
“We call on relevant parties to remain calm, exercise restraint and immediately end the hostilities to protect civilians and avoid further deterioration of the situation,” a spokesperson for China’s foreign ministry said in a statement.
The statement also said that China would work “relentlessly” to attempt to bring peace toward the region.
“The recurrence of the conflict shows once again that the protracted standstill of the peace process cannot go on. The fundamental way out of the conflict lies in implementing the two-state solution and establishing an independent State of Palestine. The international community needs to act with greater urgency,” the spokesperson said.
An Israeli diplomat in Beijing said he was disappointed in China’s statement.
“When people are being murdered, slaughtered in the streets, this is not the time to call for a two-state solution,” Yuval Waks told reporters, according to Reuters.
Hundreds of people had been reported dead, most of them civilians, and fighting continued Sunday.
Imagine for a second that Israel or the US suggested China establish an independent state of East Turkestan in Xinjiang, shortly after a huge terrorist attack perpetrated by Uyghur terrorists.
What would China's reaction be?
China literally already had that happen and their response was this:
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Isolate terrorist cells using China's massive ISR advantage and hunt them down with great prejudice
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Call for US help in attacking terrorists in neighbouring Afghanistan
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Having solved the effects, determine what the causes of terrorism are (income inequality/poor education, poor infrastructure, Islamic radicalization)
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Solve each of these problems by extreme force (Islamic radicalization: cut off communication with radicalizing factors and culturally integrate citizens with China, while also removing some of the special legal privileges granted to minorities that separates them from society at large. Poor infrastructure: dump stupid amounts of money into connecting the region with the best of China and invest in manufacturing and energy production jobs in the region. Income inequality/poor education: force everyone lacking skills to learn basic labour manufacturing)
Crucially, whereas Israel has opted to maximize civilian casualties by attacking residential towers at night and mosques during the day, China's approach has been more slow and methodical because Xinjiang, unlike Gaza and the West Bank, is not an explicitly ethnically segregated community. The Han minority would NOT appreciate missiles flying over their homes to strike their neighbours, and the many Uyghurs who are in support of the CPC would become radicalized by that process. This would obviously be undesirable. Thus, China's policies today have involved mostly applying the same things they've done to Han groups in the rest of China to Uyghur groups within Xinjiang: this is both politically expedient (because no one is going to complain about doing what Mao Zedong did) and less morally ambiguous (because the CPC is simply applying the same hammer to a different problem). Of course, China's human rights record in general isn't that great, but that's not a problem unique to any particular ethnic group: it's more of a result of policy created during the Cultural Revolution.
Basically, China believes the rise of ETIM to be driven by economic factors that it can solve, while Israel believes Hamas is driven by religious ideology that is unsolvable.
That’s a cute way to write genocide and forced labour.
Forced education is not forced labour (though, if you've ever done a STEM degree, you'd know that it feels a lot like it lol).
The principle of reform by labour was a core pillar of Chinese economic and social reform during the Cultural Revolution. It's been reformed countless times and is still used to a limited degree today on some prosecuted prisoners around the country. Crucially, they are not the same thing. You can be educated without being forced to work (and vice-versa).
It's fine to be critical of Chinese policy in general, but a lot of people in the West don't understand Chinese history at all or the context that birthed modern Chinese policy. China's been remarkably consistent in policy.
I don't know why you stated that China historically uses forced labor as a mens of reform right after you said they weren't using forced labor. Am I supposed to be impressed with their newfound restraint? Also, from accounts from inside the forced education centers it sure seems like the prisoners get plenty of physical abuse.
That's not what I said and you know it. Forced education and forced labour were both part of the mass rural-to-urban migration of the Cultural Revolution. Yet, it's difficult to argue that the Cultural Revolution was a genocide. Whereas Chinese policy has, by and large, focused on economic factors, genocide implies some ethnically-driven motivation. Such a motivation doesn't really exist. For what it's worth, the presence of penal labour in modern China is extremely similar to the US system of prison labour (over-representation by minorities and all). However, whereas in the US this is driven by racial tensions, in China this is driven predominantly by economic ones (the places where minorities live tend to be poorer provinces and the people predominantly have rural hukou).
I'd ask you if you've ever gone to school in China but I know the answer is going to be no. It's a distinct misunderstanding of culture to claim that corporal punishment is only present in China's education system in Xinjiang. More extreme things might have recently been outlawed, but the enforcement of that law is still not very strong.
I didn't claim you said anything that you did not and I certainly never claimed that corporal punishment is only present in Xinjiang.
Also, I don't think it's ok to point to the US prison system as a good comparison (considering it's one of the worst, if not the worst in the developed world). Would be better to compare to a different wealthy democratic country if China wants to prove their system is fair.
A wealthy democratic country to… Compare to a country with an average salary of $14k?
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Imagine for a second that literally any country in the world suggested that the US should stop invading countries with fake reasons/proof and plundering their goods.
Goddammit, I'm going to have to go two for two on asking questions that might seem dumb or bad faith:
What in the fuck does China have to do with this?
Same thing the US does, probably.
Make yourself out as the global big brother who helps stop fights, and you position yourself as a great partner in peace time.
Everyone has interest in seeing a conflict free world although that is a fantasy. In reality everyone has interest in making sure nuclear powers stay out of conflict
“Two state solution” is a taboo concept in Chinese politics because they want to take over Taiwan. It’s complicated, but suffice it to say, this is political posturing on China’s part.
That’s rich
Ah yes. restraint. like what china shows with the uyghurs.
What about their next door neighbour, Russia?
They could literally get away with a "special military operation" to annex their old territory around Vladivostok, and I doubt that anyone other than Russia would even raise an eyebrow. There are an awful lot of ethnically Chinese people in the region…
Any time something happens outside Chinese borders, China turns into a condescending husband, "just calm down."
When people are being murdered, slaughtered in the streets, this is not the time to call for a two-state solution
When Israel is getting their karma it's not a good thing. Israel acting like a victim when they know what they've been doing and why this happening.
The cycle continues.
“When people are being murdered, slaughtered in the streets, this is not the time to call for a two-state solution,” Yuval Waks told reporters, according to Reuters.
I don't understand this line, is the problem that spokesperson was talking about future stuff rather than immediate?
See the thing is, that people will keep getting killed in this conflict which will never be the right time to talk about a two state solution. Palestinians have been misplaced and killed over settlements, but that's not important here since now it's the Israelis that are getting hit.
When people have no light and or hope anymore they turn to anything that will help at least show a spec of light in the darkness.
Definitely agree with China.
One State solution - free Palestine from the river to the sea.
What's your view on East Turkestan becoming an independent state in Xinjiang?
Or ask them what they think of Taiwan being a separate state from the rest of China?
I would agree with all 3 of these areas being allowed independence, but I doubt they are.
Sure why not. Every group should have the right of self determination.
Free Tibet
