So this started coming up today. On every video. I can (so far) click the "x" and remove it to watch (still see 2 ads before the video, and one after 4 minutes - ruins music on YT), but did click the "Report issue" only for the dialogue box not to work.
I found a link to a that said 11% use adblock. Thats not a lot.Maaayyyybe there is a problem with the amount of ads youtube forces down our throats for even short videos. 🤷♂️
Their detection script is probably trying so hard that it hits false positives.
Ironically, with an up-to-date uBlock Origin, you wouldn't see this popup.
Sooo…, you'll literally need to use adblocker to use YouTube. Interesting.
It really is given that they've willingly entered a game of cat and mouse and chosen to assume the role of a blind, limbless mouse.
As others have said before me, I feel for the poor engineers who have to implement this stuff as any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.
any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.
Don’t give them ideas.
They already have plans to DRM the entire fucking web. That's why I am currently cutting google out of my life step by step.
Yeah, YT is the last holdout for me. It’s literally the only Google service I willingly sign up for. I’ve tried Piped/Invidious, but they don’t match YTs quality.
No problem, quality will continue to degrade, until you will be happy to switch.
Yeah the lack of playlists is an issue
So, give me a heads up if you find a reliably working alternative for their FCM that enables common apps to … work, e.g. mobile payment (not crypto), alarm messaging for emergency forces, e.g. firefighters. I'd say one can easily step back from google if you rely on independent apps and services (done that for a couple of years). But without FCM some shit simply doesn't work.
They're way ahead of you, they already started implementing it in Chrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_IntegrityIt’s bullshit like this that made me give up all Chromium browsers earlier this year. I used to be a complete Google simp, but those days are well behind me. They’re motto these days might as well be “Do evil.”
I went from loving Google (had the HYC Dream, the first Android phone!)
Many years ago I cut em out. Now I have no google products and do not use their services.
I also had the HTC Dream (called the TMobile G1 in the US). Only google product I haven’t been able to ditch is gmail.
I'm not sure what you mean by "short of DRM", because YouTube already does what it can to prevent unauthorised clients accessing it. (Have you seen how unreliable "YouTube downloaders" can be, especially for very long videos or in resolutions above HD?) But ultimately the flaw in any DRM-style solution is that the end result still needs to be able to be played back on client-controlled systems, and that is always going to provide an avenue for exploitation. It can't be avoided.
I use an automated YouTube downloader as part of my media lab and have had a 100% success rate for downloads over several years, so, sincerely, I don't know what you mean.
And yes, my argument wasn't that DRM is flawless, just that it's a feasible next step in Google trying to achieve their purpose.
I feel for the poor engineers who have to implement this stuff
I don't. They had every opportunity to do the ethical thing and refuse to implement it, but didn't.
On a related note, the industry norms need to be changed such that software engineers should be licensed Professional Engineers, should be unionized, or both.
(I say this as a software engineer myself, by the way.)
I also work in industry as a software engineer, tech lead, and occasional eng manager and haven't seen anyone do this over several decades.
I don't think many people, software engineers included, are troubled by YouTube wanting to monetize their platform or defending their right to do so. It's opting for such an easily bypassed method that makes this such a chore for the implementor.
It's also bold to assume they might not have suggested, prototyped or specced other solutions to this problem but were still tasked with this one for whatever reason. Either way, I'd rather assume good intent and high locus than assume they are "trapped" in to implementing software that defies their own moral beliefs.
as any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.
Oh, that's why WebDRM.
DRM isn't effective on its own, it needs law with severe punishment to survive
Sooo…, you’ll literally need to use adblocker to use
YouTubethe internet. Interesting.
Are you sure? Or is it because you're not in the test group?
I'm on nightly/up to date ublock and i see it.
I've been wondering if it's uBlock Origin or me not being part of the test yet. Sounds like the latter. Shit.
I got the pop-up too, but I can just kick the X and continue watching without adds. Got unlock origin.
That's phase one. At one point, a timer will appear and you have ti wait until you can click the X. Lastly, the video will stay locked and cannot be watched.
You seeing the popup means you need to update the uBlock filters and disable other add-on's ad filters like Enhancer's Block Ads feature.
I got the pop-up too, but I can just kick the X and continue watching without adds. Got uBlock origin.
Good to know! Thanks!
Yeah I’ve had it sporadically happen to me but last night was the most effective. Fully updated Firefox and ublock on windows and I could only watch 3 videos before getting locked out.
Previous to last night, I hadn’t seen the pop up for at least a week.
I actually had it about 20 minutes ago. Forgot to post here. But when I Xed out of it, it played normally.
Did you update your filters?
I had the pop-up today, updated my filters then reloaded the page, and the warning was gone.
Pretty sure, as I saw the popup multiple times, updated uBlock filters and didn't see them again since.
There's no test group, it's available now. Instructions here
https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/173jmog/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_october_09_2023/
There’s no test group
They are almost certainly talking about a test group on YouTube, not uBlock Origin. Sites do that sometimes, it's called A/B Testing. Where different users will get different versions of the site to test something or other before changes are rolled out for all users.
Ah, the second sentence made it sound like they were questioning the uBlock implementation, not YouTube's.
And not just sites, but all forms of software can implement A/B and multivariate tests, including software like uBlock Origin. I've implemented A/B and multivariate tests before, and have even co-designed and developed an experimentation platform, so it's a subject close to my heart!
I actually installed ublockorigin after hitting these types of messages on a few sites. I think howtogeek does the same thing.
According to OP it turned out to be an extension causing the problem
Their detection script is probably trying so hard that it hits false positives.
Nostalgic.
The cobra effect
LOL thats nuts!
As someone with an up to date ublock origin on Firefox, I literally just got one.
If you have YouTube Enhancer disable its adblocking.
That was probably it. Thanks!
I started getting this last night even with UO before I realized FF was waiting for me to restart for an update.
Oops.
I got this popup today on Firefox with ublock origin.
It’s really great when you put on some calming music for sleep that’s 8 hours long and has an ad break every 5 minutes.
How dare you complain about their aggressive monetization practices, won't you think of the record corporate profits.
🤤
I thought YouTube posters could choose if their video is monetized. Isn't this kinda on the person who posted it?
That setting is now only available to accounts that meet certain criteria (subscribers, views, whatever), or so I’ve heard. Depending on the videos you frequent, they may or may not meet those criteria.
And yes, this means that if you’re a small channel Google can force you to show ads without giving you any of the revenue.
If true, that's kinda fucked.
I guess so as I have found others with no ads.
Download the mp3 of the video. No more ads.
Good point.
You need a certain amount of watch time over the previous year. I have 2k subs and can’t even get half of the required watch time, my videos show ads I cannot turn off
YouTube will prioritize monetized vids
download some calming music or buy a fucking CD for god's sake
Then I’d have to buy a fucking cd player and also listen to the same damn thing every evening.
LOL I remember when there was no better alternative to buying shitloads of CDs. In some ways I miss the relationship I had with music back then. My sister beat the shit out of me one time for sneaking in her room to copy a bunch of her CDs. Made a big song and dance about the ethics of music piracy!
In that scenario though, your best bet would be to buy more than one CD, rip them to a computer with a USB optical drive, and make yourself playlists that are 8 hours long. I certainly would never advocate downloading music with filesharing software like soulseek.
I too miss the days of CDs.
There was even a time when Music Zone (store in the UK) would let you return cds. Well it was free reign to buy them, copy them and then return the original.
I recall having a printer that could print the album art on them.
Or even recording from the radio on to tape or mini disc. And even Smash Hits for lyrics.
You’re right, relationships with music were different than they are now.
I can’t lie though some things are better now. Take Apple Classical for instance. I can listen to the music entire collection of classical music by opening an app. It’s amazing.
I certainly would never advocate downloading music with filesharing software like soulseek.
Neither would I. The selection of high quality music is unbearable - you can find just about anything, even rarities, in good qualities, which is quite scary if you have heard nothing but heavily compressed mp3-files until now.
I've heard Firefox's inbuilt tracking protection often trips whatever detection method they're using, and like, I'm not turning that off for Youtube.
Quick someone post that 3rd party YouTube interface for Android. Preferably on F-Roids. I need it.
This is the Internet so let's settle this quickly and efficiently.
The best 3rd party YouTube interface is called Kuhmbus.
NewPipe has been my go-to for years. Available on F-Droid with regular updates.
There's a fork that has SponsorBlock integration, fyi. Get it on github and it requires manual updates but auto notifications. You can also use obtaimium to install it, and that will handle updates for you.
I thought NewPipe only worked with decentralized services? Does it work with YouTube proper?
yeah, it primarly works with centralized ones but it also supports PeerTube
I actually didn't realize it supported anything other than YouTube. TIL
There's a few options
Newpipe, uses it's own extractor, also can act as a player for SoundCloud and Peertube, there's also a fork with SponsorBlock: https://newpipe.net/
Libretube, uses the Piped api, generally seen as the one with the best UI: https://github.com/libre-tube/LibreTube
Clipious, uses the Invidious api: https://github.com/lamarios/clipious
Could also watch videos in a browser from an Invidious or Piped instance I guess
And while I'm at it I'll also mention there's a client option on desktop too, Freetube: https://freetubeapp.io/
piped.video ?
Is that a native app, or webapp? I thought there was a native app, in fact I know there is and it's called Kuhmbus. Nobody can correct me because I'm right.
Isn’t vanced still around? Saw that alot in the past
I just got that it is called vanced because it is advanced without the ad…
Revanced now, but yes it works
Yeah same here!
Lol that's like too funny now. Hitting legitimate users with the nagware, so that the only ones having a good experience are the pirates :D Tale as old as the first VHS tape
Let’s be real. Blocking ads isn’t pirating.
The equivalence the person is drawing is something like what Denuvo does on PC. Games that ship with Denuvo suffer significant performance issues but when Denuvo is cracked and the game is put on the high seas, they don't come with Denuvo so the pirates end up having a better experience.
Pirating seems to be always the more convenient way… Especially if you have a docker server…
I know but there's no other noun that rolls off the tongue quite the same way.
If blocking ads is piracy, then billboards and junk mail are larceny. It goes both ways.
Ads are the form of payment for the service and using a paid service without paying is piracy. How do you think this is any different?
Considering that YouTube is as dominant as it is today because of the well-documented network effect[1], you can consider your use of YouTube instead of a competitor in and of itself a payment because it lets them keep their monopoly on online video distribution. YouTube knows this, which is why they were so lenient in their early years - if they started off being strict, people would've left earlier and made YouTube's future as a monopoly more uncertain because of a demand for competitors.
Maybe instead of justifying their profit-seeking, we should demand more oversight and democratic say over how YouTube as a monopoly operates? Kind of like how in Germany and Slovenia, workers get 50% of the seats on the board of corporations and get to have a say in how a business operates? Alike many other European countries with varying %es of the board seats, like Norway and Sweden where it's 33%, or Finland where it's 20%. [2]
Otherwise, don't be surprised when YouTube starts going after creator profits next. Something they're using to justify going after adblock users now.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directorsUnfortunately, all it takes is one right wing nut job to liquidate the positions and sell them to corporate interests.
See the decimation of Canada's National Energy Board under Modi and Poilievre's showrunner, former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper. The board, by law, has to be half oil industry and half environmentalists. He fired all of the sane people and sold the empty spots to the oil industry.
If one person has control over what people sit on the board, that's not democratic. I did specify "democratic" above, so I think it's an important point to hammer in here. We could make a significant part (if not even the whole) of the board be elected worker managers. In an actual democracy, a single person doesn't have the power to boot people they don't like out.
Damn, didn't think I'd see a corporate shill over here for YouTube/ Google.
When did I say piracy was wrong?
In this case it's apparently the only option.
Nono, fuck google but it's still a form of piracy
running an adblocker or script blocker in your browser is a crucial component of safe and secure internet use. until the sites and ad networks fully vet and guarantee the safety and legitimacy of the ads and scripts they serve, fuck them all.
No it's not. If an ad break comes up on tv and to avoid them you go for a pee or get some snacks, no sane person would call that piracy. It's pretty much the same with youtube, I could just leave the room while an ad plays. Adblock just automates the task of not watching the ad.
The ad is served which is what counts and you can not ignore it or not ignore it, doesn't matter as long as it is served. adblock makes it so the ad is never served in the first place, circumventing the "payment" for the content, as in "piracy".
The German government literally ruled otherwise. You are objectively, legally, and morally incorrect.
The payment for the service is coming from the ad owners. Me choosing not to download parts of a webpage isn't piracy, it's me choosing not to download certain parts of a web page. Nobody has any right to force data I don't want onto my computer except me. Piracy is illegal, adblocking is not (so far).
This isn't like you copied a game and cracked the DRM. An adblocker just strips out the HTML and javascript needed to display an ad. It's not different than if you turned off images in your browser like we used to do back in the day on dialup to make it load faster.
Me choosing not to download parts of a webpage isn't piracy, it's me choosing not to download certain parts of a web page. Nobody has any right to force data I don't want onto my computer except me.
Subsequently, the owner of the website also has the right to not serve you parts of a web page. It's a two-way street mate. This argument that a service provider is obligated to give you everything you want without any conditions simply does not stand up to any real scrutiny.
Subsequently, the owner of the website also has the right to not serve you parts of a web page.
You're absolutely right. I didn't say they don't. But as long as they still do let me access it, I'll keep using an adblocker on their website. Once the spigot gets turned off for good, I'll move elsewhere.
So if I understand correctly, you define the border of piracy as the technicality of websites where the HTML and JS are accessible as opposed to a binary that comes with built-in DRM.
How do you think about DRM-free games?
We've had the capability to pick and choose what we want to download from a website since the first web browsers. Why are ads any different? It's the same as if I decide to strip out all HTML frame and table tags just for shits and giggles. Would you call that piracy?
It's my device, and I decide what to accept from the website. If they want to block me completely, they can do that too. But they don't. Not yet.
I also have no stomach for downloading 10 megabytes worth of ads and trackers for a website where the actual content is like, 300 kilobytes. THAT is complete bullshit.
Ok the whole idea of ads is a mess. It used to be that showing ads was additional income next to doing your normal stuff. You hosted a website for a blog or sth. and if people liked your blog you could reduce server costs by a few ads. This whole thing got out of hand a century ago when you plan to host a blog(for example) with so many ads on the site so you make a profit from ads. The quality of the blog went so low since it isn't important that people like rather than click it once. So mass trash production is the result.
Back to Youtube. They provided a service for free to host videos. They did this at a loss for almost ever. They also added a few ads in order to reduce costs, but those ads didn't turn in profits. They added Youtube Premium in order to make profit. But people didn't really buy it since it was too expensive (I assume). So now probably there was a big pressure from Google to get YouTube profitable. They increased the ads and the unskippable ones. Slowly they made money, but now the greed has probably taken in. "Force people into Premium by so many ads that the site is unusable without" is probably the current goal to make more money.
Now of course people don't like to pay for a previously free service, and people don't like ads: An adblocker it is. Now youtube wants more money! So adblockers must go! This ideology is in line with chrome Manifest v3 so you can't block ads anymore (like on Android)
Youtube is totally in the right here. It's their service and they can do what they want, but I am Also allowed to decide what happens in my Browser on my computer! I can decide to disable ads all I want! There is no law forcing me to watch them. I mean what's the difference between me bocking ads at a technical level or just go out of the room until it is over? None from a advertisors view, but for Youtube they get money even if you don't look as long it is displayed.
Adblockers save advertisors money!
Ads aren't payment because it's not you the user that's paying, it's a 3rd party that pays the provider to shove ads at you. Which you can take or leave.
If I go to a store and don't want to look at the ads they won't hold me down and shove them in my face. They're ultimately interested in me buying actual products. But Google's real product (YouTube Premium) is not a compelling product and the vast majority of people visiting YouTube come for the freebies not the Premium.
So they've resorted to feeding you ads by force but you do NOT have to take it. Google can choose to lock everything behind Premium and if you bypass that then that would be piracy. But simply refusing to look at ads ain't.
According to that logic, muting a tab while the ad plays, then coming back and rewinding the video is piracy.
Advertisers tried to say that back in the 90s/2000s. It’s an angle already sadly.
Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers.
It isn’t a form of payment from the consumer. It never was, it never should be.
I have to disagree with you that it's not a form of payment. How many platforms offer a subscription model to go ad free? Ads are a revenue stream for any given platform. You either pay the platform with your money, or your time watching ads.
If you disagree that you can't pay for things with your time, then we will have to agree to disagree
There has to be an explicit agreement accompanying the payment. When you pay directly and buy a product or service you have that explicit agreement. With ads you don't, there's only implicit statements hidden in terms of service and things like that. In the EU that's illegal and doesn't hold any power over the consumer.
Let Google come forth and say "you can only watch this video with Premium" and that would be ok. Mandating ads is not.
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That logic is what will make verification cans a reality.
Well, for one, if you don't want something stolen then you shouldn't put it on your front lawn for everyone to take. There are plenty of services that require payment before you get access.
Two, they are essentially stealing our private data and selling it without our permission, so ads aren't the only source of payment.
At no point was I informed by youtube that watching ads was a requirement for service. In fact until just now YouTube necessary even told be that using an ad- blocker was not allowed. Technically this is not the same thing. Otherwise I would be stealing every time I left the room when an ad was playing.
It is a false positive as Googlie tries to find a way to detect and block adblockers on browsers they don't control. install ublock origin and it should solve the issue.
Nope. It happens with ublock origin too.
I believe Ublock has patched this now, you can update to the newest version and reset the extension and it should work.
updated, reset, backed up my old uBO config, started fresh. didn't see any pop ups after i did that. then just got another one this morning, so it's still rolling out for some users. freaking annoying.
honestly at this point i just do uBO purge-cache/update every time i went to youtube after a long enough gap ( haha hours. mere hours i'm addicted) from the last time.
Thank you!
Then you need to remove your custom profile and update to the latest version.
Brief search last night quoted 2.9 billion total? revenue for ‘22, 2023 first quarter worldwide ad revenue , 6.93 million usd.
Unsure what you think that is relevant to. ???
Here's something that I "don't allow" Google:
Letting corporations use MY computer equipment and MY Internet connect to conduct their business. I'll block whatever I want and if Google and YouTube don't like it, they can take their advertising machine, roll it up real tight and cram it.
Google can suck it
Google, people telling you this, is devastating. You're devastated.
To put it another way, a shitty business model on their part does not constitute an obligation on yours.
Ah, enshittification at its finest.
We have a family premium plan and I still got this message. Guess I'll cancel YouTube Premium now…
I get most of the content I want via patreon anyway now.
So, you already pay for an ad-free experience and they still want you to turn off ad-block so they can track you more efficiently. That's vile.
Ublock Origin and SponsorBlock and Enhancer for YouTube will make the YouTube experience SO MUCH better!
Ublock blocks ads, SponsorBlock blocks sponsorship deals that the YouTuber includes (Clash of clans, Norton, etc), and Enhancer lets you play with the settings on a whole other level, including blocking things like end cards.
Those end cards suck, though it's usually the creator's fault. Put them where there is no content at the end, not when I'm still waiting for the punchline!
Youtube already blocks ublock, it doesn't work for me anymore.
You just need to update you filter lists. Go into settings -> filter lists and click on "Purge all caches" and then on "Update now"
Seems to still be working for me. At least I haven't encountered any notices yet.
They are targeting a portion of users, but once you're chosen to be the test target, you'll see.
Yeah, I just commented to another user about the same things. Seems they're doing some A/B testing or something like it. No worries, I understand uBlock has an update available that addresses it already.
Alright thanks for the notice!
I'm ok with In-video sponsors though. You can always skip them (unlike YouTube ads) and the money goes straight to the content creator.
It does skip them, just automatically.
Plus you can skip intros, outros, and about a dozen of other things.
It's great most of the time, but occasionally it will skip sections that are definitely not an ad and instead an important part of the video.
It has non-ad settings, like intro, outro, recap, etc.
Be sure to check your settings, as not just adverts are on by default.
If it's not that, make sure to "thumbs down" the skip when it pops up as that helps the system as a whole.
I had no idea Sponsor Block was available as an FF addon. Any idea if it works on FF mobile?
FF mobile currently has a very selected list of available extensions, which does not include it yet.
But that's about to change before the end of the year. FF mobile is finally opening up add on usability and distribution.
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You can use it with ReVanced! https://revanced.app/download
I'm in Ohio. Any combination of words that has "Vance" in it and I want too throw up…
Yes, only the nightly version though.
You probably have antitracking enabled which can trigger this dumb prompt.
Wait is that a Lemmy instance? Why is it opening in my browser instead of in my Lemmy app?
Because your lemmy app doesn't know the instance
The devs need to recognize the instance.
No idea what app they're using to view lemmy, but with Jerboa you just go to the app settings and select sites you want to open in the app.
Happened to me, I just blocked the notification objects. Still let me play videos so far. I have firefox + ublock.
I made a user script that will make a button on each video which jump you to piped, that way you can continue to use YT to manage your subscriptions and see your feed, but you never have to watch to video there
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/477267-youtube-add-watch-on-piped-button-to-each-video
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Looks handy thanks.
You blocked the blocker and that worked?? Lmao.
They tried it on me last night, but all I saw was a video stopping one second in and a gray overlay. I blocked that element with the element picker, and then the video played fine in both regular and full screen mode – but I was unable to move the page or scroll down for comments. Works for me, most YT comment sections are dumpster fires anyway.
Also, I was logged in. I have not seen this at all where I was not logged in, yet.
Got that too (Firefox and ublock origin). So far i can just click the X and continue to watch without ads. Pops up about every third video.
This post has instructions to stop getting the pop up: https://lemmy.world/post/6671823
Thank you! The cause might actually be "Enhancer for Youtube" in my case. Didn't know it had its own blocker.
I use a Firefox extension to redirect any YouTube links to open in Ungoogled Chromium, which so far seems to be immune to Google's anti-Adblock campaign.
edit: Extension is called Open In
Wow, people are so smart!
Any chance you could DM the the name of the extension (is you can't mention it here?)
I can't get this popup on Firefox and I have tried hard to get it. I also noticed that I never get video ads even without an adblocker if just reject all cookies at the cookies prompt (only works in EU I guess)
Either way you could try this guide which apparently fixes the issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/173jmog/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_october_09_2023/
I appreciate it, but I'm still going to stick with Ungoogled Chromium for YouTube. mainly because Firefox still doesn't support HDR and RTX Super Resolution.
That's fair.
can we maybe stop using Google/Apple/amazon/m$ etc at some point? they scam us since like ever.
I cant afford things like apple products. Amazon has driven the price down for me on a fair few things. As much as I hate the company and the man behind it I cant always afford to go to some other store. Thankfully I dont buy much stuff.
What is it you can't afford to get somwwhere else?
If you're being genuine idk why you're being downvoted. But I think lots of tech related items is a good answer. For example at like Walmart/target etc. a 50-100ft ethernet cable are super expensive compared to Amazon. Also some bulk foods might also be a good answer. Buying like bulk nuts on Amazon I believe are much cheaper than in most stores. And most stores dont sell them in bigger quantities
Yeah, that was a genuine question. Are those prices US based? I often find Amazon (Germany) even more expensive than alternatives, especially if you don't want to buy cheap chinese trash. Also, if there is really some stuff you really need, I often don't find it hard to find other vendors with similar or cheaper prices. This includes your examples. All the reason for me not to use Amazon.
But if that's really the case and no suitable alternatives exist, I understand the situation of course. However, if someone doesn't have good reasons not to put some effort into searching, you can find me sitting on my horse, morally judging them. ;)
