• Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.

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      1 year ago

      I'm still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It's giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It's one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It's like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.

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        1 year ago

        They want to go out in "a blaze of glory" rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.

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        1 year ago

        It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.

        Palestine's reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They've even been blockaded for sixteen years.

        Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn't seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.

        And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren't allowed out in the first place.

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        My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.

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          They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They're all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that's basically the bargain they made to stay in power.

          There's basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual "allies", and that's basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.

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          Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe they wanted to fight back instead of slowly getting erased? There is no 5D chess going on here, its incredibly simple.

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        It's not for you to understand. You're not there. You're not suffering it, you're not fighting it, you're not analyzing it to save your life and your nation, you're not planning it, you're not preparing for your own death and ensuring it's worth it.

        Stop passing judgment based on whether you personally have the ability to figure out what specific strategy they are motivated by and start passing judgment based on the structures at play here.

        Hamas made a choice. It's time for us to either support Israel or support Palestine. Condemning Hamas to the degree that we do not render them aid means supporting Israel. Allowing Israel to fight Hamas means supporting Israel. The atrocities can be sorted out in The Hague next year.

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        This is what I don't get either. Israel's reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?

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          If Hamas attacks Israel, Israel's current gov stays in power. If Israel attacks Hamas, Hamas stays in power.

          It's in the interest of all in power to keep this going. Peace destroys both their political platforms.

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        They're doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn't work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?

        Also, I'm not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.

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          Only one side is engaging on ethnic cleansing with racist rhetoric included. Spoiler: it's not Palestine.

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      Nonsense, the crimes of israel are on a complete different scale. You can't fucking say both sides are bad when palestine fights back after decades of oppression.

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      1 year ago

      Uh… Israel is killing countless people. Hamas is killing countable people. There is no comparison. It is completely lopsided. The fact that you don't understand that indicates for everyone around you where you get your (did)information from.