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      Don’t be afraid: fight hard. That means not just voting, but actively supporting candidates to opposed them with both time and money.

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            They’ll just give ot away in the next debt ceiling “debate” so what’s the point of electing dems? It is hardly sending a rebuke to congress to elect one of the two parties. I would rather vote for an actual leftist that loses and causes the dems to lose too than vote for a dem and barley win. We don’t advance voting in dems that don’t represent us, but just represent Republicans not winning. Cia would kill them, but such is life.

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              I would rather vote for an actual leftist that loses and causes the dems to lose too than vote for a dem and barley win.

              A vote for a leftist with no chance to win is a vote for the conservatives. It sucks, but such is the nature of the two-party system.

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              They’ll just give ot away in the next debt ceiling “debate”

              You mean like how they gave it away in the last one?

              Oh wait, Biden played the Republicans like a harpsichord last time they pulled that crap.

              Yeah, stuffing Congress full of actual leftists would be better, but let’s not pretend these Democrats are completely incompetent.

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                Well, if getting defence spending up 3%, capping all non-defence discretion spending, requiring an end date to student loan repayment holds, and actually getting money to the IRS so they can do their job is all Biden “playing him like a harpsichord”… really don’t want to see what him sucking up is like.

                Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/29/whats-in-the-debt-ceiling-deal-struck-by-biden-and-mccarthy.html

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                  getting defence spending up 3%

                  Somebody’s gotta do it, and I don’t see the rest of the civilized world chipping in.

                  capping all non-defence discretion spending

                  Yep, that’s what tends to happen when Americans vote Republican. Protip: don’t vote Republican.

                  requiring an end date to student loan repayment holds

                  A setback, nothing more. There have been headlines of further attempts to get student debt forgiven, and again, filling Congress with Democrats will get it done.

                  actually getting money to the IRS so they can do their job

                  Over the vigorous objections of Republican billionaires who desperately don’t want to get caught evading taxes. That’s a big deal.

                  really don’t want to see what him sucking up is like.

                  You already did see it, in 2017 through 2021. It, uh, was not good.

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                    Two steps forward and two steps back until it’s your kids turn to pick up the mantle.

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              They passed it. And managed to (so far) preserve it, and look likely to keep on doing so to the best of their ability with the possible exception of a handful who are bought off. I’ll work to elect them because of that.

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            What? Democrats had Bernie and he couldn’t win a primary against someone with the worst record in congress.

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              Did you vote on primaries? Did all your friends vote on primaries? Did you participate in your local process of choosing delegates? Do you know how this process is happening in your constituency? If the answer on any of this questions is no, you should get more information about it, and while you will be doing that, you will discover your answer on how come Bernie lost primaries despite being so loved among people who don’t vote.
              Out of 240 million eligible voters, 19 million voted for Biden and 9.6 million voted for Sanders. Without changing that dynamics there is no changing anything else.

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                And if I answer yes to all of those questions and was in an early voting state that had Bernie doing much better than Biden? What then?

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                  If 10 more millions or so people will do the same, you would have Bernie as a nominee. But they didn’t, and you don’t. That’s a democracy. Now, in order to have it your way, you could for example continue your political activism, maybe even try to get elected somewhere.
                  What you can’t do is to say “everything is rigged because the outcome is not what I wanted” and call it a day. That’s not a democracy.

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                    What are you even talking about? I don’t have to do anything. And I don’t at all understand why you told me that tge definition of democracy is in fact, not where, “what you can’t do is to say, “everything is rigged because the outcome is not what I wanted” and call it a day.” That is wild.

                    Everything is rigged, and I can’t imagine anyone being crazy enough to say otherwise. I make okay money and would need to work for like ten thousand years to make what some others in our country make in a second. Are you telling me that a system where one person can be placed on such a pedestal could ever be a good thing?