Top Trump administration officials will address a mass prayer meeting in the heart of Washington Sunday – an event organisers bill as reclaiming the country’s religious foundations, but critics say is a quasi-official rally for Christian nationalism.
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the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11
Who. The fuck would this administration pray to!? Their idol is right there!
I knew these fuckers didn’t know any history.
Prayer explicitly as PR, rather than a personal relationship with God.
These people never seem to have read Matthew 6:5-6.
They haven’t read a lot of things. One of the things that amuse me is seeing xtians tattoo various xtian things on their body, like Hegseth, for example:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
They cherry pick from the OT whatever suits them. I’m fine if they ignore such rules from the OT with the argument that, like the food rules, it’s not relevant anymore thanks to Jesus. Cherry picking just the stuff you can use to justify hurting people, while ignoring anything that doesn’t suit your taste, is hypocrisy.
And then they invent stuff that’s not even in the Bible, like their stupid abortion ban.
Can you blame them? That shit works. Religious people aren’t the smartest tools in the shed, so no one ever wonders why people like donnie don’t know shit about their religion or how it comea that he’s never in church. All they see is performative stunts, and they love that.
Is this really a good time for the US to potentially violate the Treaty of Tripoli and risk the rise of piracy against US vessels in the Mediterranean / Middle East region?
Aren’t they already pillaging the middle east?
reclaiming the country’s religious foundations
Thomas Jefferson wrote specifically about the first Amenment in 1802, stating that the adopted amendment created a “wall of separation between the church and state.”
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison both strongly opposed the state supporting one specific religion. Per their beliefs, it is a violation of a natural right to religious liberty when you compel a citizen to support a specific faith.
“the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” -John Adams
“If God truly does exist, then he more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows.” -Thomas Jefferson
More than half of the Founding Fathers were atheists or agnostic.
And the rest were deists
American Taliban
Y’all Qaeda
Talibrand
Yokel Haram/Broke-o Haram
ICEis
WhyDF
President of MAGAstan
Democratic church of America
Diabolical
“Christian”
Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward! But whenever you pray, go into your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:5-7
Yeah, they should just own it and call themselves who Jesus was addressing: Pharisees, liars and hypocrites.
Nothing less in the path of true scripture than this administration.
Anybody that thinks Trump is a Christian or has Christian values is a moron.
My mother is a great person. She’s caring, she helps the sick and the poor, she acts with integrity… And she prays every day for Donald Trump to drop dead. That’s a real Christian…
Most people in the US who self identify as Christian are in fact morons. There’s a reason there are so many grifters promoting Christianity, it’s practically free real estate.
If you say you’re religious you’re
- incapable of distinguishing reality from fairy-tales,
- a liar,
- or both.
Oo, “beleif iz 4 dums” such a bold and controversial take on Lemmy. 🙄
I hesitate to post this because I really don’t intend to start a flame-chain but…
This is why we collectively struggle to fight these fascist bastards, because so many on “our side” can’t see past the establishment’s glaringly obvious false-flag bullshit, and are so ready to throw many of their friends and allies away, unable to see past their own arrogance.
If you leave no room to reconcile with those of differing experiences or beliefs, you will quickly find yourself isolated, bitter, and surrounded by enemies.
As a Christian who holds utmost love for friends and allies of a plethora of backgrounds and belief systems (or professed lack thereof), and who will resist this “Murica-brand xtian fascism” with all our might, I implore you and others who behave this way:
Please, leave this bigoted edgy pseudo-intellectual Hitchens/Dawkins-esque nonsense to rot, back on Facebook in 2006. Seeing it repeated so often on every stupid thread where this stupid government does a pathetic imitation of Christianity does not help the resistance. It plays right into their hands.
It’s the same reason the “manosphere” and other toxic movements have taken root: It tells certain groups of people who would have taken your side that they are not welcome because of who they are, and yet we’re surprised when they end up clustering with those who exploit them as pawns with claims of acceptance.
We need them, and WE NEED YOU.
Take care out there…
The problem is that at least in the US you are very much in the minority. The overwhelming majority of Christians in the US use their faith primarily as a justification for their racism (or xenophobia but that really just boils down to racism), misogyny, and homophobia (or transphobia). I could count on one hand with fingers left over the number of people I’ve talked to who call themselves Christians and who didn’t at some point shortly there after make a disparaging remark about some kind of minority group. It’s practically guaranteed if you see someone wearing a cross or praying at a meal some racist or homophobic shit is going to be coming out of their mouth sooner or later.
If those who claim to be Christian actually followed things in the new testament most people wouldn’t have a problem with them, but they don’t. They cherry pick, mostly from the old testament, and then act like that excuses them blatantly acting counter to all the things Jesus supposedly stands for.
EDIT: Apologies for the reply length!!
The overwhelming majority of Christians in the US
I respectfully, sincerely, beg to differ.
Yes, that’s definitely a picture we get when seen through the lens of headlines. We see the loudest and most obnoxious, hateful, and arrogant. We see ‘megachurches’ dodging taxes and preaching patriotism and idolatry to a flag and empire. We see crosses paired with those stupid red hats. We see gospel music “rockstars” at Turning Point rallies.
Raised hackles mean clicks! And clicks mean money. Our enemies boost this coverage to rile up their fanbase and demoralize their opponents.
We don’t see the number of faith based initiatives and charities desperately filling holes left by a gutted social system. We don’t see the everyday believers and even churches who are trying their best to stay sane and love their neighbors (and enemies!) as Jesus instructed.
I’m not even Catholic but kudos to the Pope for calling out the US goons’ nonsense!
Heck, look how long it took for the Guardian to actually report on Christians who are vocal against this stolen identity the Republican fascists are waving around. Ministers and other believers of a multitude of faiths are at protests, getting maced in the face by jackbooted govvie thugs. Churches are delivering food and supplies to families hunkering down trying to avoid capture by ICE.
And keyboard warriors want to lump them as enemies because they have belief?! How about all the people of differing queer identities that believe? Yeah, there’s lots of them too. God bless them, that’s got to be rough.
I’d argue the “vast majority” of Christians are pretty neutral: They could be doing a lot better. They just want to stay out of it, but they’ll try to help other human beings if they can, but they don’t read their Bible too deeply and are easy to lead astray.
The republifascists want to recruit these neutrals by taking over their church’s narratives, by equating faith with patriotism, and that gets easier when these poor (often self inflicted) ignorant neutrals keep getting bombarded with “ReLiGiOuS pPl SuK” messaging. It makes the bad guys look like friends. Then those neutrals become radicals.
A LOT of money has gone into this narrative that Christianity is simply “conservative by default.” Why? Because Christians used to be a leftist thorn in the side of capitalists! (Highly recommend “Behind the Bastards: How the Rich Stole. Christianity”
We’re harder to see. I definitely could do a better job, but we’re there.
The hard-right lean on pretending to be Christian because it serves two purposes: It galvanizes their radicalized blind fanbase, and attempts to snuff out the followers of Jesus that still remain. Letting them win is a net negative.
Thanks for listening to my ramble and for your thoughtful reply. I have to get back to work hahaha. XD
While it’s true that’s the impression the headlines give, unfortunately at least in my experience it’s also the reality. In my multiple decades (I’ll say I’m middle aged) I’ve met a grand total of about 4 people who are Christian and also decent people. The remaining 60 or so Christians I’ve personally met are of the conservative variety that are exactly the kind depicted in the media (I’m sure I’ve met more Christians than that, but they didn’t identify themselves as such nor did they act in any fashion that would allow them to be identified as such so it’s impossible to tell).
There’s a great quote from someone or another that goes something like “there’s no hate quite like Christian love” and that rings very much true. Some of the absolute most vile and vitriolic statements I’ve heard have come from those that spend the most time ranting about Jesus. I once saw a woman have a full blown panic attack because a black person dared to show up at her yard sale and then she went into a rant about how some bible verse meant “good Christians” should practice racial segregation.
I’ve seen relatives and friends subjected to hate and terrible treatment by their own families because they were gay all in the name of Jesus and being “good Christians”.
There may very well be plenty of these good and caring Christians you’re talking about out there, but much like the police, Christians have a major image problem right now and they need to be doing more if they don’t want to be lumped in with the MAGA Christians. It’s not enough to just say “but we’re not all like that”, they need to be seen to actively be disowning and denouncing those terrible behaviors by those claiming to represent them. Because right now what most people see are the conservative Christians, and if there are non-conservative Christians out there they’re not being visible in any meaningful fashion.
I don’t need liars like Trump and I don’t need liars like religious people. Narcissistic, sociopathic civilizations need liars.
I mean Trump is a perfect representation of Christianity his voters, just fake posturing to look like a good person. If Jesus was alive today and lived in America the vast majority of Trumpist Christians would outright hate him for being a hardcore commie bastard. And that’s assuming the police won’t just shoot him.
Oh, good! I was afraid the lack Christian leadership over the years might have created a vacuum.
We’ve only had Christian presidents for 250 years, after all.
The current president is not. He’s made it pretty clear he’s only pretending for the votes.
I would love to run as a third party pagan animist just to break the trend.
I’ll try to douse the flames if it comes to it.
May the Sun and Earth bless you!
What’s with the “quasi?” It’s an explicit endorsement of Christianity as the national religion they’re not supposed to have. It’s literally the first amendment to the constitution they love to rub all over their sweaty white bodies.
From the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. Ratified by the Senate which had just recently approved the Bill of Rights, and signed by President John Adams.
“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
