• Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world
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    Both Israel and Hamas have blood on their hands. I know we all like the whole Good vs. Bad but in an eye for eye situation, they are both wrong. People, on both sides, suffer. If the politicians would fight on the front, they would be less eager to create these situations.

    Edit: I am not defending the Israeli Actions nor the Hamas actions. It is fucked up situation. Israel in the first place, shouldn’t have been created. However it is, and they should make the best of it. WITHOUT COMMITTING GENOCIDE. For people who believe in a good God, they sure are willing to kill.

    All I am saying is that the ones that are not fighting, are suffering. Rockets land in Gaza, Rockets land in Israel. People, yes on both sides, are dying.

    I am against the actions of Hamas, I am very against the actions of Israel.

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      Israel is not fighting against Hamas. Israel is fighting against all Palestinians, of which only a tiny fraction is Hamas. Well or rather they are fightinf against Hamas, but they are slaughtering the other Palestinians.

      Israel is past the need to defend itself. Now they are taking the opportunity to commit genocide and displace the Palestinians from Gaza.

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      I’m sorry, but whose currently suffering on the Israeli side? Because Gaza is literally starving. And the Aid trucks are idling at the border with food that the IDF refuses to let through.

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          Yeah I bet their friends are doing things like bringing them food to help and their jobs are giving them extra time off or something.

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              Both of which are things the families of 27,000 Gazans cannot do right now. They have no jobs, no food, and there’s a good chance their friends are dead too.

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        The calculus changes when everything from ambulances to children could be actual, literal bombs.

        Edit: oh and, Israel isn’t the only country that borders Gaza.

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          The calculus changes when everything from ambulances to children could be actual, literal bombs.

          That’s a really weird way to say, “I’ll kill any Palestinian that moves, even the cattle, because I can’t even bother viewing them as human beings”.

          Would it be acceptable if someone shot an Israeli ambulance, saying, “well, you never know these days, these ambulances are full of IDF ready to attack!”?

          Nope, and neither should the opposite.

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          Nope. No you don’t get to go down that road. We dealt with that uncertainty in Iraq without causing a massive famine or using 2,000 pound bombs. There are no excuses for genocide, and certainly not victim blaming.

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            It sounds like you’re saying if Jihadists use ambulances and children then there’s no defense. Just lay down and die.

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              Sounds like you’re trying to lump every person in Gaza in with Hamas. Professional soldiers have procedures for those situations. Ones Israel isn’t using.

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                I’m not.

                I’m very clearly saying that when you’re fighting a group who straps bombs to kids, you have to consider that even those appearing to be regular civilians might be a threat.

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                  Oh but you are. Because we’ve done this. We know how to deal with those problems without committing a genocide. The only reason to answer charges of genocide with , “but the kids might have weapons!” Is to blame the victims.

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      That’s like blaming Jews during world war 2 for putting up resistance against their fascist rulers. It is such a mischaracterization of the situation that it is damaging to the Palestinian people.