• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    In 2020 38% of the vote was from Dems, 38% from republicans…

    What wins/loses Michigan is independent voters, and Biden doesn’t do well with them, because they want more than “I’m not the other guy! Even tho we agree on lots of stuff, we’re still different”

    Hell. biden isn’t even doing well with Dem voters in an unopposed primary.

    That should make everyone very concerned, but there’s a vocal minority of Biden supporters who demand 100% loyalty and 0% questions.

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      9 months ago

      “I’m not the other guy” is actually a very strong case when you look at the other guy.
      The other guy wanted a “Muslim ban”.
      The other guy has a subdivision in Israel named after him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights

      Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.
      Trump supports Israel because they’re killing undesirables.
      They are not the same.

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        9 months ago

        Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.

        That’s not what Biden says…

        He said that when he was a small child and Israel was formed (Biden is literally older than Israel) his dad told him that Israel were the good guys, and had Biden promise to always support them.

        That is why Biden calls himself a Zionist and will always support Israel.

        A promise a toddler made to his farther almost a century ago.

        But hey, that’s just going off what Biden has been saying for decades, and unfortunately we can’t just believe what Biden says. He could be lying or just confused, it’s a coin flip.

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          Let’s simplify the situation for you. Israel has been designated as a U.S. Major Non-NATO Ally under U.S. law. So Biden can say whatever he wants. He is compelled, by US law, to support them.

          But you’re right, we should all vote in Cheeto again who definitely would do better in the situation.

          I get it, they’re both shit choices. Spicy Cuttlefish or Vanilla Bean Paste situation.

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            9 months ago

            I don’t know what would be more ridiculous, that you’re right and once someone is a US ally we have to support anything they do, up to and including genocide…

            Or that you know you’re wrong and rationalizing that hard to defend a genocide.

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      Bruv, I’m just making the rational choice in a binary system. The choice that leads to less bad shit happening to me and the rest of the world.

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        9 months ago

        Begrudgingly voting for Biden probably isn’t enough. It’s too close, and Biden doesn’t excite voters enough.

        You need to get others to do it too. And the fact is, that’s really hard to do if you’re trying to convince voters directly.

        What’s easier and has a chance of working is being outspoken now before the general has even started, and pray that someone on his campaign team realizes Biden is going to have to move left to beat trump.

        Or you could tell people to shut up and hope Bidens campaign team realizes on their own before it’s too late while getting zero feedback from voters.

        Pick inaction all you like, I just don’t like it’s chances.

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    9 months ago

    Cute how people are still in denial that everyone in Michigan will accept Biden supporting Genocide.

    These people are not as spineless as you.

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    In his statement late Tuesday evening, Biden thanked “every Michigander who made their voice heard today,” noting that “exercising the right to vote and participating in our democracy is what makes America great.”

    thanks to laws and policies Biden helped craft throughout his political career not able to vote as are some others but Biden has the arrogance to say things like this

    He discussed abortion, union jobs, prescription drugs, and the need to protect fertility treatments. There was no mention of Gaza or Israel or the cease-fire demands that sparked the “uncommitted” protest vote campaign.

    you have to actually do something to inspire people to vote for you not just ask for funds and votes to hopefully maybe do something

    Roe v. Wade happened on your watch as did the rail worker protests and we still have $7.25 as a national minimum wage despite you promising to try and help with that and defend workers rights too on your last presidential election campaign

    And on the last election you promised national health care but have you even mentioned that since the last election or was that just another ploy to try and grab more votes

    Another election promise was police reform on a national level but here we have cop city cropping up to endanger our democracy again on his watch with his prosecutor as a vice president saying nothing

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        costs on families are higher than ever

        not sure if more people are working but with a minimum wage of $7.25 what is the point of working and most places such as Wally’s Hell lowered the start pay since covid lower than $15 sometimes only paying $12 an hour if not lower

        what is made here because hardly any of just the essential everyday items depend on are made here maybe assembled here or just a small amount of parts are made here but bulk of assembled parts are not US made

        when was the economy rescued because we missed the announcement and could not tell by driving around town

        when did he rebuild infrastructure? the main artery i40 that connects east coast to west coast has a bridge that was so badly in need of repair but the state that part was in would not pay for the repairs and neither did Biden - taxes from Arkansas had to and part of those taxes came from medical cannabis sales which Biden refuses to legalize

        Biden helping veterans? my grandfather who served had to wait over twelve hours in a hospital recently nearly dying because the VA Hospital was too far away and they said to go to the nearest ER - VA was hour and half but given the wait the ER gave still though

        Meaningful gun violence reduction legislation? is there not news out everyday about someone being shot or groups of people being shot? not to mention a cop recently was the one to mishandle a gun by firing on a kid

        Do not feel like my child or their friends are protected in this day in age while they are out in public anywhere without constantly worrying about something happening when they are not home and especially do not feel like Biden is our LGBTQI+ savior - there was just someone murdered in Oklahoma

        When did he give an executive order to restore abortion rights? oh yeah he just less than quartered assed it and is now looking for credit for doing 100% of the work that was needed and is asking for payment mean donations

        Wife still has this student debt and the school she went to is a technical college that leeches tax money from our county from property taxes and the like and know she is not the only person still with this problem so this one is just words on a webpage as well

        when did he and prosecutor Harris end the failed approach to cannabis? it is legal in all fifty states and all cannabis users have been released and or pardoned? must have missed this entirely or are you not living in the same United States on the Planet Earth as we are or?

        when did those two ever advocate or do anything to advance equity and racial justice including historic criminal justice reforms? What about cop city? What about the campaign promises for police reform which might have helped with making this statement a reality

        what environmental reforms did he help with exactly? again have you been outside lately

        not sure about the numbers on how many people are insured but the quality and amount of medical staff are very poor and not adequately staffed

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          not sure if more people are working but with a minimum wage of $7.25 what is the point of working and most places such as Wally’s Hell lowered the start pay since covid lower than $15 sometimes only paying $12 an hour if not lower

          Not something the President can do.

          what is made here because hardly any of just the essential everyday items depend on are made here maybe assembled here or just a small amount of parts are made here but bulk of assembled parts are not US made

          https://www.cato.org/blog/united-states-remains-manufacturing-powerhouse

          Also the CHIPS Act

          when was the economy rescued because we missed the announcement and could not tell by driving around town

          Economies worldwide have taken a shit and the US is doing better than pretty much any other nation. So maybe it isn’t great but comparatively it’s pretty good.

          when did he rebuild infrastructure?

          https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684

          …the main artery i40 that connects east coast to west coast has a bridge…

          Are you talking about the one that ArDOT was supposed to be inspecting but didn’t?

          Biden helping veterans? my grandfather who served had to wait over twelve hours in a hospital recently nearly dying because the VA Hospital was too far away and they said to go to the nearest ER - VA was hour and half but given the wait the ER gave still though

          Sorry your grandfather had to go through that but where does he live and what was his problem? There can’t be a VA hospital on every corner and unless his problem is service related he should be to a regular hospital anyway.

          Also, https://www.va.gov/wilmington-health-care/news-releases/at-the-direction-of-president-biden-va-is-expanding-health-care-eligibility-to-millions-of-veterans/

          Meaningful gun violence reduction legislation? is there not news out everyday about someone being shot or groups of people being shot? not to mention a cop recently was the one to mishandle a gun by firing on a kid

          Once again, the president does not introduce legislation.

          Do not feel like my child or their friends are protected in this day in age while they are out in public anywhere without constantly worrying about something happening when they are not home and especially do not feel like Biden is our LGBTQI+ savior - there was just someone murdered in Oklahoma

          All anti-LGBTQI+ legislation is at the state level.

          When did he give an executive order to restore abortion rights? oh yeah he just less than quartered assed it and is now looking for credit for doing 100% of the work that was needed and is asking for payment mean donations

          Once again… not something that can be done by EO. Abortion rights were stripped because the Republican party slow rolled Supreme Court nominations under Obama giving Trump three seats whose nominees lied to the Senate about their position.

          Wife still has this student debt and the school she went to is a technical college that leeches tax money from our county from property taxes and the like and know she is not the only person still with this problem so this one is just words on a webpage as well

          I’m still paying my student loan debt as well but he has gotten $136 billion for 3.7 million people forgiven.

          when did he and prosecutor Harris end the failed approach to cannabis? it is legal in all fifty states and all cannabis users have been released and or pardoned? must have missed this entirely or are you not living in the same United States on the Planet Earth as we are or?

          The proposal to reschedule marijuana from a class 1 to a 3 is with the DEA after the HHS recommended the change.

          when did those two ever advocate or do anything to advance equity and racial justice including historic criminal justice reforms? What about cop city? What about the campaign promises for police reform which might have helped with making this statement a reality

          You got me here mostly because it’s pushing midnight and I can’t think of anything of the top of my head. I can’t imagine that, at a minimum) Harris (a black woman) hasn’t done with work towards this.

          what environmental reforms did he help with exactly? again have you been outside lately

          https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1830

          not sure about the numbers on how many people are insured but the quality and amount of medical staff are very poor and not adequately staffed

          Without nationalized healthcare I don’t know what Biden is supposed to do about that. Also depending on where you live, state policies are driving doctors out of the state. Idaho has lost 1/4 of their OB/GYN doctors in the last year because of their policies.

          BLAB: Biden isn’t perfect but he’s a lot better than you’re giving him credit for and you’re blaming him for things he can’t control. In the end his general election opponent will likely be Trump and things are 100 times better under Biden.