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Do you genuinely believe that people who are angry about supporting a genocide are bots?
Do you genuinely believe that people who are angry about supporting a genocide are bots?
They both suck. You have to pick one
That’s how Trump won in the first place. You cannot message your way to winning an election. This is not a problem with voters, it’s a problem with democrats passing right-wing policy, and can only be solved by the democrats.
If you pick the wrong guy, you also won’t be able to protest for any kind of change.
You don’t get to say that while cops are beating the shit out of students for protesting. You shouldn’t be pissed at me, you should be pissed at the guy doing things that lose the election.
If everyone in Gaza is dead or displaced, it literally does not fucking matter. That is the path Israel is on, which Biden is assisting with.
You are delusional if you think you can win an election on “the other guy will be more vocal in his support for genocide”.
Instead of coming at me for pointing this out, you should be coming at any dem who isn’t calling for a massive u-turn in policy before it’s too late.
This is the same head-in-the-sand thinking let everyone around Biden tell themselves that he was fit for this debate.
level headed voice trying to minimize palestinian casualties
Biden isn’t doing that though, you can’t send someone the bombs they’re using to cause those casualties and say you’re trying to minimize it. Minimizing Palestinian casualties would be using all tools at your disposal to make Palestinian casualties the as low as possible.
The question is would you rather a president who openly facilitates the slaughter of Palestinians or pretends to oppose the slaughter of Palestinians while facilitating it.
The answer is it doesn’t fucking matter, ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing.
I’d hope it would have you asking yourself why you’re supporting the same policies we all agreed were bad under Trump.
These shithead illegal immigration policies probably wouldnt even be in the spotlight if scared old white people weren’t the biggest swath of participating voters.
Fascists are never going to vote democrat.
Triangulation doesn’t work. When you triangulate yourself to be 1 inch left of hitler, the people who want hitler vote hitler, and the people who wanted not-hitler don’t vote. When you get elected for being not-hitler, and proceed to facilitate genocide, people who wanted not-hitler don’t vote
You learned nothing in 2020.
You learned nothing when Obama lost the house and senate in 2010 after not pulling out of Iraq+afghanistan, ending the war on drugs, and doing other stuff that voters expected of him, instead tryed to reach out to moderate republicans.
You learned nothing when Kerry lost after campaigning on doing the wars more competently in 2004.
And you will learn nothing in November.
Now what the fuck do we do about this impending presidential vote?
Pressure Biden to cut off all aid to Israel and sanction them until they give equal civil rights to Palestinians and return their homes, use military hospitals to provide healthcare to women, send in the military to destroy the child-drowning fence on the rio, etc.
Doing good things instead of bad things is only way Biden can hope to be reelected (no, the republicans or the parliamentarian or the SCOTUS or Joe Manchin or civility and norms aren’t an excuse).
You don’t get to promote right-wing policies in another futile attempt to court moderate republicans (who will always vote for the real thing over diet-fascism) and then complain about division.
This is exactly how we got here. You want to stop eating shit? Stop supporting objectively evil policies and then complaining that other people won’t support them with you.
Blue Maga about to explain why actually it’s good when Biden does it and you’re a russian bot if you think otherwise.
That site is garbage. The atomic unit of propaganda is not lies, it’s emphasis. NYT (and most western news media have supported every single military action the US has done when it mattered.
This isn’t reflected in their ratings, since they don’t need to use lies to get people believing wild misconceptions. It is reflected in the way the American people are mobilized to support each military action.
Old enough to remember there were lots opposing it as well. Just.like the current Gaza war.
Except none of them meaningfully oppose the gaza war. The closest thing to criticism you’ll hear from a mainstream source is how Netanyahu personally isn’t carrying out the war out humanely enough. Note that this is not actually opposition to the war, since it just calls for a return to the state of slow ethnic cleansing that spawned the war. They oppose the way and rate the settler colonialist ethnostate carries out ethnic cleansing, not the settler colonialist ethnostate whose national project requires ethnic cleansing.
Just as in the Iraq war, nobody was saying “This is bad, and we should leave now, there’s a million people protesting it outside” until like 2006, when the plans to leave were already drawn up (a schedule Obama maintained).
There was a million “The war is good, but it’s being done poorly” and later on “The war is bad, but we’re here and have to carry it out more competently”, but the idea of not pursuing the war was so toxic, republicans would accuse democrats of wanting to “cut and run” (in the same way they accuse democrats of being insufficiently supportive of Israel, despite literally going around congress to keep the weapons flowing).
Are you old enough to remember how every single mainstream journalist promoted the Iraq war? (no, “maybe the war could be executed more competently” is still supporting the war) How about Libya?
Isn’t it funny how the mainstream media just happens to align with the state department every on every single issue?
Israel is the only country whose aid doesn’t have to be spent on US goods. The US created Israel’s arms industry.
You know the ones that constantly complain that Biden should have personally airdropped over Gaza and personally saved the children?
Your words are right there
Not a single person expects Biden to personally drop into Gaza. Good job with that strawman though.
No, but also kinda? It’s complicated. If someone had the power to help those immigrant children escape, it would be silly to pretend they must endure the continuing injustice for fear they might hurt an “innocent” escaping the concentration camp.
there are plenty of innocent Israelis
That’s complicated. Would you have said we needed to continue supporting Apartheid South Africa’s military because there were innocent Boers?
When the Israeli national project is ended, then sure we’ll have a responsibility to ensure Palestine respects the rights of all people living in its territory.
part of a pressure campaign to send Netanyahu packing
4% of Jewish Israelis feel the IDF has gone too far
This isn’t just Netanyahu or his administration, this is most non-arab Israelis. Every time you translate an Israeli twitter post or media, it’s like you found a lost page from Mein Kampf
And yet Biden continues to send the weapons and money.
It’s both malicious and incompetent. No matter how much foreign blood Biden promises spill, republicans will double it. By trying to appeal to “moderate” fascists, they’re just demotivating their base, while fascists will vote for the real thing over diet fascism.
I don’t know who you’re talking about that believes anything you’ve claimed, but the people who don’t want Biden to send Israel the weapons they’re using to carry out a genocide are still angry that Biden is sending Israel weapons, which they’re using to carry out a genocide.
If your understanding of geopolitics somehow has you justifying helping Israel blowing up kids in Palestine or Saudi Arabia blowing up school buses in Yemen or american occupiers cause famine in Syria, you’ve completely lost the plot.
Not blowing up children is more important than American hegemony in the middle east.
You really don’t understand what I’m saying do you?
No amount of messaging or vote shaming or self delusion can override the dogshit policies Biden has enacted trying to appeal to “moderate republicans”.
But if you learned nothing from 2016, I’m sure in November you’ll blame everyone but the people with power.