Honestly, I would be very surprised if he were disallowed. Not only because, as you said, it is unclear if the 12th amendment eligibility conditions apply to conditions added after the 12th amendment and make no reference to modifying it. But also because the 22nd amendment does not, in fact, specify that someone who has served two terms is ineligible to be President. Rather it is very specifically a condition about being elected to president. If we’re interpreting the constitution strictly literally, the 22nd amendment doesn’t make a new condition for eligibility to be President, only for being elected president. So the 12th amendment would not apply. That may not have been the intent, but if anyone thinks the same Supreme Court that ruled that the President has absolute immunity on the use of his presidential powers isn’t going to let Trump slide right through that loophole… well, you could probably convince them it was raining as you piss on their leg.

The two term limit was set by the 22nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The language in it is that no person may be elected to the office of President for more than two terms. It does not specify any criteria about consecutive terms, meaning it doesn’t matter. They simply can’t be elected more than twice to the office President under any conditions. It also specifies that if they served more than two years as President when they weren’t elected to that office (such as when a VP assumes the office after the President dies), they can’t be elected to the office of President more than once. In other words, a 2+ year term of a president after succeeding the previous president whose term ends early, counts as a full term in regard to this 2 term limit.

In other words, this SHOULD be his last term. There are two legal loopholes, however. 1) If he somehow managed to coerce a skip or elimination of the next election, he could assume another term without defying the constitution. There is currently no mechanism to do that, but an act of a partisan Congress upheld by the partisan Supreme Court could make such a thing possible. 2) if he ran as VP for another person, which is constitutionally allowed, he could be elected as VP and then the elected President could resign, die, or be removed from office and Trump would be President again. Also, a new amendment to the constitution could be passed to negate or modify the 22nd amendments’ term limit. Though that would require a lot of Democrats also voting for it.

The 22nd amendment says that they can’t be elected to “The office of President”. No mention in the amendment of the Vice Presidency. And the term limit definitely doesn’t apply to one’s terms as VPs if they later become President. Else George HW Bush and Biden couldn’t gave run for president after their two terms as VP each. No reason to think it applies in reverse, that presidential terms count against VP terms. Obviously, it could be argued that VPs are in the line of succession for President, and are thus ineligible after they served two terms, but it would have to be argued. It’s not explicit. Also I doubt it would work because that would also exclude them from every single other role in the line of succession. That seems overbroad.

I believe it happened right after Trump’s AG news was announced. It also conveniently came right before an ethics report was about to be released on him after the investigations finished

In all fairness, it does specify that no person can be elected to president more than twice, full stop. Unfortunately, it does leave open two loopholes. 1) He, while president, manages to coerce the skipping or elimination of elections and he just gets another term without an election. 2) He runs as VP for another person (no limit there) and assume the presidency when their lacky dies, retires, etc. Or he just uses them as a puppet from the VP spot.

Yes, an American politician should be wary of making the argument that non-ancient roots in an area make their claim on their land default.

Honestly, I have trouble dealing with the irony that American politicians are pro-zionism becuase Jews used to hold the land a long time ago until they were outcast from their homelands aand forced to move far away, displacing Palestinian people that live tthere now in the process… and then think that Native American sovereignty (let alone their claim to their historical lands that were stolen from them) are ridiculous and unfair to contemporary US citizens that live here now.

Same. I was installing equipment at shut down schools 30+ minutes away for months in 2020. Roads nearly empty, schools completely empty, restaurants either boarded up, or only doing delivery and takeout, sometimes out of makeshift windows where the front door used to be, stores deserted (except for Home Depot because everyone was doing DIY projects during shutdown so they had dozens of people waiting outside like they were at a night club except everyone was standing 6 feet apart). People didn’t go out.

Apologies for making a bad assumption on your vote.

Yes a great deal of people are morons. Not most, but a fair deal more than 25 percent. The swing to the right is a global phenomenon because the pandemic and its recovery is a global phenomenon. The fact that the entire world struggles after Covid means you should understand that there is NO WAY to have made it all good immediately, else SOMEONE would have done it. But you can compare how well administrations handled it in part by how quickly they have and are recovering in comparison to other countries The US had recovered very well under Biden, which is why we are doing among the best economically among all nations now. But you and other void skulls are under the impression that if it wasn’t perfect or we aren’t completely back to normal after less than 4 years, the administration failed and should be kicked out even when we have done better than nearly everyone. You lot want to have the reins given back to the guy who already demonstrated he could not do the job competently even when he had a decent staff of intelligent and experienced people behind him. Now we are going to let him fuck it all up with a new band of neo nazi sycophants because your eggs and gas WERE expensive, are now LESS expensive, but aren’t YET less expensive enough fast enough. Remind me to collect your thoughts on the economy (and health, polution, international trade and relations, war, etc.) in 4 years.

“But gas prices were lower in 2020” Yeah, because most people where under lock down, laid off, or sick, you dumb fucks.

Trump was in power at the start of the Pandemic and is widely held to have made things worse at the time. Whatever you think of Biden’s handling of Covid related issues since then, anyone that thinks that Trump was better or will be better is a fucking moron.

We’re still in recovery from covid, as is everyone else. As much as everyone likes to pretend it never happened, or it is ancient history, it’s effects are still being seen.

I for one blame the misinformation machine, the radicalizing echo chambers, and the reactionary and inflamatory nature of social media that the internet has propogated over the last couple decades.

Dems quietly fix things, Repubs loudly claim credit, even when they actively obstructed the fixes. There are uncountable examples of Republican legislators patting themselves on the back for getting legislation passed that actively helps their constituents, when in fact they voted against it. It passed despite them, not because of them, but they still campaign on it and win because of it. Meanwhile Democrats are generally helpful and honest and get the shaft because they don’t call out that bullshit and claim their wins as they should.

The unfortunate truth is that a Trump win is relevant to our long term survival as a species. He’s likely to push anti-pollution deregulation, prioritize fossil fuels, refuse to uphold international agreements on climate change policy, etc. That’s on top of the damage he will do to international trade, charitable efforts, world health, immigration, and war. He is far from the only problem in all of those areas, but unfortunately he’s likely to be involved with just about all of it, and improve none of it. As an American, I’m so so sorry.

What is the purpose of the bill of rights in the constitution? To establish a set of legally protected rights. If the 2nd amendment exists, as they said, for this exact purpose, then it exists to give people that right. It doesn’t. It was to allow small trained militias to be formed to protect the homefront from outside threats. Not to destroy the nation they had literally just formed.

People are quick to forget the second amendment exists for situations like this.

“being necessary to the security of a free State” being the key point here.

the right cry foul saying they need to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. Then literally elect an outspoken tyrant. Neo-liberals […] forgot why the second amendment exists. […] If it came down to it, toe to toe, left vs right, they’d get slaughtered.

some people are wholly convinced Trump is going to go full on fascist. […] To those people, y’all need to rethink your stance on arms. If it’s coming and you want to stop that freight train? That’s war.

How do you interpret all that if not that the 2nd amendment exists to overthrow/incite war with a tyrranical government?

They are arguing that the fundamental purpose 2nd amendment is to allow the overthrow the sitting government. To make it a legally protected right of the citizenry to take back a supposedly tyrannical government by lethal force and war. That is false.

And they did so illegally, as would anyone else that tries it now. I’m not saying there is no imaginable situation where insurrection isnt warranted, righteous, and even necessary. But it will never be legal. If you disagree, please explain how you imagine the 2nd amendment would protect insurrectionists that kill government officials, police, or soldiers.

The 2nd amendment is not and was never meant to be a permission slip to use against the sitting US government, tyrannical or otherwise. This is a rhetoric, a myth, a deliberate misinterpretation that has spread far, but holds no basis is reality. It is absurd on the face of it.

The idea you are proporting is that there is a legal window for insurrection in the constitution so long as it is used in defense of a “free state” against a supposedly tyrannical administration. If such a legal window exists, it would mean that A) there are such times that violent overthrow of the government is sanctioned by said government, B) that any old member of a violent coup gets to determine that their actions are legal by their intent to secure a free state, and C) that if any semblance of the original government survives the coup attempt, that their hands are bound by the constitution and the attempted violent overthrowers can face no legal consequences. What’s more, this supposed right will be upheld by the government that is, again, so tyrranical as to make it legal to destroy it at gunpoint. This is just patently foolish to believe.

Make no mistake. If you or anyone else attempts to or does use violent force against ANY form of the US government, you will be violently resisted, arrested or killed by that government. You will not be given any protection from the 2nd amendment for this, ESPECIALLY under a tyrranical administration. If you choose to take such action, just know that you do so under no protection under the law and you will either win, die trying, or spend the remainder of your life in prison. Those are the only outcomes. You will be inciting a civil war. Also if you do win, good luck creating a new stable government in a politically divided nation after a violent overthrow.