Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

  • Snapz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 day ago

    Finally a fucking accurate headline. All of this “argument between zelensky and trump” horseshit was so immediate and widespread. Trump couldn’t even handle his own unjustified attack. They needed vance to to start with verbal diarrhea and buzz words so dementia donny dipshit had things to free associate with. They ganged up and bullied to try to force him to break, and he held.

  • Prandom_returns@lemm.eeEnglish
    55·
    2 days ago

    Holy shit, Trump stopped the war on Day 1, just like he promised. What a genius of diplomacy. The artist of the deal. So american 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • IronKrill@lemmy.caEnglish
    913·
    2 days ago

    Trump’s unreasonable nature is so obvious in the full video that I don’t see how anyone with two braincells can be on his side. Some highlights I want to share:

    Reporter asks at 37:39 “… and who would protect those minerals … ?” Trump: “They’ll be protected. The agreement will protect them. The agreement, yeah we’re signing an agreement.” Reporter: “Right but what if Russia tries to invade or there’s russian agression in those spots.” Trump: “I just don’t think that’s going to happen.” He then deflects by trying to discredit the reporter since he couldn’t answer the question. So instead of giving Ukraine any guarantees or acknowledging Russia’s previous deceit, he hand waves it away.

    At 33:45 “… what did [Putin] tell you that he wanted peace?”. Trump: “My whole life is deals … I’ve known him for a long time, he had to suffer through the Russia hoax, you know Russia Russia Russia it was a hoax. It was all Biden it was nothing to do with him … I think that he wants to make a deal and he would like to see it end.” What an absolute nothing answer. He’s asked why he believes this is viable and after a short attempt at making Russia the victim he just says, rephrased, “because, lol”.

    At 39:50 Vance goes on a truly incoherent ramble about how Biden tried “thumping [his] chest and pretending that the president of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States’s actions” and thus “the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe in engaging in diplomacy”. Ah, diplomacy, the path that is famously known for it’s lack of words… sending money to Ukraine or providing military aid? Those aren’t actions, they’re just words. Zelensky goes on to ELI5 to Vance how Putin broke diplomacy before the clips everyone is posting begins.

    And just for fun, at 30:15 Trump delivers a line so stupid it almost breaks Zelensky’s poker face: “I’ve stopped wars, I’ve stopped many wars. My people will tell you, I’ve stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. … I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war — I could tell you right now there is a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about.”

    This is ignoring all the times they try and blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine which just ???

  • e$tGyr#J2pqM8v@feddit.nlEnglish
    67·
    2 days ago

    Their first, still very polite disagreement that evening was when Trump said that the US has given a lot more aid than Europe did, to which Zelensky very politely replies ‘they gave a lot’, clearly avoiding the obvious ‘they gave more’, to which Trump then replies ‘they gave a lot, but much less than we did’, to which Zelensky replies with a clear ‘no.’ and then they laugh. You could argue that Zelensky does not need to do that, but he gives credit where credit is due to the Europeans, and he doesn’t let a blatant lie about an ally slide. It’s the type of moment that’s beautiful and horrendous at the same time. Source: https://youtu.be/CSe0ntgfpq4?t=726

  • arc@lemm.eeEnglish
    613·
    2 days ago

    The stupid part is that Trump / Vance made themselves look like assholes. Zelensky was over to sign a deal and they threw him out for disagreeing with their dumb talking points. And far from making America “great”, I expect that Canada, Europe, UK, Australia, Japan, South Korea etc has collectively decided that they need to reduce their dependence on America while these malignant narcissists are in charge.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.worldEnglish
    931·
    2 days ago

    Watching that made my stomach hurt. I’m so embarrassed. Not that I wasn’t before, but Jesus Christ. Every time he opens his mouth, every time I see a new article about the horrendous shit he’s doing, that rage from the election results comes back again. I feel like I have to watch it all, but this is so fucking painful.

  • Arda@lemmy.worldEnglish
    561·
    2 days ago

    Most pathetic behavior from nation leaders i have ever seen, how Trump and Vance even talk is unbearable, its like watching the Boys in actual real life unbelievable. It would be funny if the world wasnt at stake

    • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      450·
      2 days ago

      Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

      He’s far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

      “In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxo0gBM6GM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM

      • finder@lemmy.worldEnglish
        211·
        2 days ago

        Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law

        Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia

        Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics

        The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]

        Recruitment of prisoners

        Implementation

        It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]

        On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a “hidden mobilization.” According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, “Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war.”[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the “only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that.”[96]

        • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          319·
          2 days ago

          Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.

          When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.

          • stroz@infosec.pubEnglish
            192·
            2 days ago

            When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others

            In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.

            • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              110·
              2 days ago

              So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?

  • troglodytis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    169·
    3 days ago

    Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

    The USA has shown over and over, it’s the only thing we take seriously. We don’t give a fuck until you have nukes. We don’t care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just “how can we take advantage of you?”

    Also … World, I understand you’re not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

    • irish_link@lemmy.worldEnglish
      63·
      2 days ago

      Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.”

      So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn’t do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire(Ceasefire, my bad) would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.

      • bigFab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        3 days ago

        Prof. John Mearshmeyer have been talking about great power’s expansionism and it’s relation to nuclear armament since at least 2015.

        • Aqarius@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          Yup. And when Russia invaded Ukraine, everyone called him a Russian puppet because of course America would never!

    • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      3 days ago

      It’s too hard. Yeah, we understand the required specs, but the precision machines and rare ores are internationally monitored. Tom Clancy’s The Sum of All Fears was eye opening as to what the terrorists had to go through to make a single bomb. And it fizzled into a “normal” atom bomb.

      And I’m not even talking about the experts involved, a physics degree ain’t gonna get it. The precision machining for the tooling alone is mind blowing, then you gotta fab the actual parts. Again, you’re not getting people like that in a room with a LinkedIn ad, and it would be noticed, very noticed, if you tried.

      Now if you want to skip 3-stage hydrogen bombs and just roll an atom bomb, still tough, but much more doable.

      tl;dr: The nuclear powers would come down on you like a ton of bricks if a country even tried starting a program. See: Iran.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        I really need to check out Sum of All Fears again.

        That truly is mind blowing to think about, the level of expertise you mentioned and the tooling. Imagine, just think about it, if it were put to use for something other than the potential to obliterate millions in an instant…

        Makes a man shed a tear, a bit.

  • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
    54·
    2 days ago

    I’m just sad that Zelensky needs to keep good relations with the US so that he can still get something from them, because I’m sure that otherwise he would have completely destroyed their arguments there.